From wez at raez.net  Tue Jan  7 18:16:14 2003
From: wez at raez.net (WEZ!)
Date: Tue Jan  7 18:16:14 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] FooBillard
In-Reply-To: <20021219172704.GC4368@cartman.flooble.net.au>
References: <20021219172704.GC4368@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <p05010400ba4051fdc126@[192.168.1.249]>

Heya all. How the hell are ya all going?

Only just getting back on my feet again here and been offline for a 
good month or so.

How was everyone's New Years and X-mas celebrations?

been reading all the old mail which i've missed.

Open source Games = good :)

will start getting into some of them i hope

old classics.
DarkCastle = definitely very cool game. I probably have it somewhere
Warlords 1 and 2: loved those games
4D stunts: ohh yeah i would love to do that again
Starcontrol 1 &2 : Still one of my all time favorite games
Myth: not that old but i just loved that game

Speaking of old games one of these years i intent to build a mame box 
and probably stick in half a dozen other emulators :)

ok onto other crap and reasons for being offline last month:

moved house twice. not much fun
working in the bush for a couple of weeks
probs with moving. Had car broken into when i went to melville. Had 
house broken into here after 2 days. Took all my audio equipment, 5 
latest cd wallets so  2-3 years of DL's gone and bits of computer 
parts but not the whole lot. That kindof screwed things over. Didn't 
take any of my actual machines thankgod. Though haven't brought my 
proper machine here yet until the insurance is fully setup. And alarm 
which has been installed now. Most of that should be done this week 
so i can finally get back to things.

On the positive side of moving. New house is great. Better 
house-mates nicer house. Going to have to air con though as it was 
built for investment and has really poor design and no insulation 
making it really poor for running computer setup in.

We now have DSL. Though my servers i used to know don't seem to be 
around anymore. Going to try to search for clients and places in 
local network. Anyone know any mac centric waix servers? I'm going to 
have to be begging off friends for any mac software to try to recoup 
some of my collection ;\

Another possibility is having a lan party here at some stage. Large 
house. DHCH router setup already and dsl connection. Think we 
probably could do with some more table space though. Though still 
probably wouldn't be viable for a month or two at this stage.

Well have a godo one all. Probably here more from me now i'm back online :)

WEZ!

ohh any recommendations for good servers for mac do tell :)

From fostware at iinet.net.au  Tue Jan  7 19:11:09 2003
From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster)
Date: Tue Jan  7 19:11:09 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] FooBillard
In-Reply-To: <p05010400ba4051fdc126@[192.168.1.249]>
Message-ID: <001101c2b63c$c150dbb0$2100a8c0@pccraig>

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As Pete's soon-to-be just-the-guy-next-door who also got his ADSL today
(woot!) there should be the posibility of a lot more of these events.
The blue cable just needs to be thrown over the hardifence :P

With the Dual P3-500 CPU UT2003 server and transparent proxy/dhcp pete
may be online more often :)

Hey Pete, congrats on the work front.

Regards,

Craig Foster
fostware@iinet.net.au (with SMIME) 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: shuggnet-lanparty-admin@shugg.net 
> [mailto:shuggnet-lanparty-admin@shugg.net] On Behalf Of WEZ!
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:11 PM
> To: shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Subject: Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] FooBillard
>
<snip>
> 
> We now have DSL. Though my servers i used to know don't seem to be 
> around anymore. Going to try to search for clients and places in 
> local network. Anyone know any mac centric waix servers? I'm going to 
> have to be begging off friends for any mac software to try to recoup 
> some of my collection ;\
> 
> Another possibility is having a lan party here at some stage. Large 
> house. DHCH router setup already and dsl connection. Think we 
> probably could do with some more table space though. Though still 
> probably wouldn't be viable for a month or two at this stage.
> 
> Well have a godo one all. Probably here more from me now i'm 
> back online :)
> 
> WEZ!
> 
> ohh any recommendations for good servers for mac do tell :)

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From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Wed Jan  8 19:27:40 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Wed Jan  8 19:27:40 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] FooBillard
References: <001101c2b63c$c150dbb0$2100a8c0@pccraig>
Message-ID: <001301c2b703$873cf860$85cd3bcb@hipbone>

> Hey Pete, congrats on the work front.
>=20
Pete?.... Work????  I didn't think that those two words went together... =
;)

-Hip.

From pete at akira.apana.org.au  Wed Jan  8 20:02:16 2003
From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Jan  8 20:02:16 2003
Subject: Work front (was Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] FooBillard)
In-Reply-To: <001301c2b703$873cf860$85cd3bcb@hipbone>
References: <001101c2b63c$c150dbb0$2100a8c0@pccraig> <001301c2b703$873cf860$85cd3bcb@hipbone>
Message-ID: <20030108115440.GD19354@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 08/01 18:48:48, David Shugg wrote:
> > Hey Pete, congrats on the work front.
> 
> Pete?.... Work????  I didn't think that those two words went together... ;)

I say :---PPPPPPPPPPP to you, young Bone.

> -Hip.

Yes, I have something resembling a job again (woohoo!), after almost
four months offline (yikes), thanks mainly to Crispin Harris (who is
also on this list but hasn't been able to come to a LAN party yet).

It's mainly a Solaris sysadminning contract - I was supposed to be
Crispin's flunky and handle all the drudge work that he simply didn't
have time to handle because he was too busy with all the Serious(tm)
stuff. But now Crispin is down with chicken pox[0], probably for one to
three weeks, and thar be big looming deadlines off the port bow in
the next three weeks, cap'n. The boss guy is at the moment doing a
very impressive job of controlling his "ohshitohshitohshitPANIIIIC"
instinct. :)

Ahhh, fun fun fun.

:-)
Pete.

[0] which can be quite nasty in an adult... :-(
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
preventive maintenance, n. A superstitious ritual in which an engineer
is allowed to break something under controlled conditions in the
forlorn hope that this will appease some unknown gods.
		-- The Devil's IT Dictionary

From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jan 29 20:45:51 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Jan 29 20:45:51 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Old games (game replayability)
In-Reply-To: <a05200f08ba1a4f4cb703@[192.168.0.36]>; from dave@difference.com.au on Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 09:49:39PM +0800
References: <20021203074345.GL26563@cartman.flooble.net.au> <20021203220357.C8788@shugg.net> <20021203155634.GA7507@cartman.flooble.net.au> <a05200f08ba1a4f4cb703@[192.168.0.36]>
Message-ID: <20030129204034.C25785@shugg.net>

Quoth David:
> >Which reminds me, I may have to see if I can track down a Mac Classic
> >emulator and a copy of Dark Castle. Goddamn that game was fun... I
> >remember playing that on the stepbrother's old Mac back in...  '87?
> >Hi Dave, you still on this list? *waves to Dave (Cake, not Shugg)*
> 
> 	Ummm.... yes, sort of.
> 	(note vastly delayed reply).
> 	I probably still have floppies with DC and DC II (which was 
> just as good) somewhere. Apparently it was nowhere near as good on 
> some other platforms (including the amiga) though. I even have actual 
> ancient Macs to play it on.
> 	Cheers
> 		Dave

Well I don't know if anyone's interested, but I've just discovered that
Dark Castle 3 is in the works.  The development page is utterly devoid
of any useful information, so I guess you have to know all about the
first two games to have any idea what this one's going to be all about.

Interested parties, browse here:

  http://www.zsculpt.com/website/games/darkcastle3/darkcastle3.html

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jan 29 21:05:36 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Jan 29 21:05:36 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Star Trek Turkish style
In-Reply-To: <3d19e13ceb08.3ceb083d19e1@bigpond.com>; from stone_monkey@telstra.com on Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:53:49AM +0800
References: <3d19e13ceb08.3ceb083d19e1@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <20030129210207.D25785@shugg.net>

Long ago, Green posted:
> This might be appreciated by the group.
> 
> http://www.thewavemedia.com/pagegen.php?pagename=article&articleid=22646
> 
> G

Did anyone go and check this out?  It was piss funny!  And even better
was the Turkish Star Wars review linked off that page.  Defies belief.

Anyway I thought it was very funny two months ago or whenever it was
that Green sent it, so if you haven't read the page yet, please go and
have a look now.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From algernon at aloku.net  Thu Feb 13 22:32:15 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Feb 13 22:32:15 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Short notice mini-LAN
Message-ID: <1045147036.3501.8.camel@moncrieff>

Here (69 Bramwell Road, Noranda), this Saturday (15th Feb).  From midday
till whenever.

Most software available if you don't already have it.  The local ftp
server also has most of the latest patches.

Must go... sleepy....

- Karl


From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Fri Feb 14 11:42:53 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Fri Feb 14 11:42:53 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Short notice mini-LAN
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD01465DEC@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>

Hmm - Saturday; peace rally, sailing, bbq lunch, the zoo and a beatles
tribute.

Apologies for my absence Karl, thanks for the invite. :-)

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Karl Aloritias
> Sent: 	Thursday, February 13, 2003 22:37 PM
> To: 	ShuggNet LANParty List
> Subject: 	[shuggnet-lanparty] Short notice mini-LAN
> 
> Here (69 Bramwell Road, Noranda), this Saturday (15th Feb).  From midday
> till whenever.
> 
> Most software available if you don't already have it.  The local ftp
> server also has most of the latest patches.
> 
> Must go... sleepy....
> 
> - Karl
> 
> _______________________________________________
> shuggnet-lanparty mailing list
> shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> http://www.shugg.net/lists/listinfo/shuggnet-lanparty
> 
> 

From siobhanh at iinet.net.au  Fri Feb 14 12:13:23 2003
From: siobhanh at iinet.net.au (Siobhan Hicks)
Date: Fri Feb 14 12:13:23 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Short notice mini-LAN
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD01465DEC@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
Message-ID: <3E4C6BA9.9080204@iinet.net.au>

Oldham, Toby wrote:
> Hmm - Saturday; peace rally, 

*snip*

We'll see you there. :) Anyone else going?

Shiv


From wez at raez.net  Fri Feb 14 14:27:09 2003
From: wez at raez.net (WEZ!)
Date: Fri Feb 14 14:27:09 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Short notice mini-LAN
In-Reply-To: <1045147036.3501.8.camel@moncrieff>
References: <1045147036.3501.8.camel@moncrieff>
Message-ID: <p05010400ba722f1fcbd9@[192.168.1.249]>

>Here (69 Bramwell Road, Noranda), this Saturday (15th Feb).  From midday
>till whenever.
>
>Most software available if you don't already have it.  The local ftp
>server also has most of the latest patches.

Rather busy here as well so doubt i'll be able to make it ;\

Though i do need to ask of any Mac-users out there about graphic 
software. Anyone got any collections they would like to share? I need 
to recover most of the stuff that was nicked ;\

Any help or direction to look would be good

WEZ!

From pete at akira.apana.org.au  Fri Feb 14 15:11:54 2003
From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Feb 14 15:11:54 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Short notice mini-LAN
In-Reply-To: <3E4C6BA9.9080204@iinet.net.au>
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD01465DEC@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au> <3E4C6BA9.9080204@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030214070645.GA26565@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 14/02 12:08:09, Siobhan Hicks wrote:
> Oldham, Toby wrote:
> >Hmm - Saturday; peace rally, 
> 
> *snip*
> 
> We'll see you there. :) Anyone else going?

Peace rally? Bah! ;-)

I reckon we should make GWB and his team take on SH and his team in a
good solid Unreal Tournament deathmatch.

That'd sort things out good and proper.

> Shiv

I should be able to come to the mini-LAN, Karl. I thought initially I
might have a rehearsal for the Mahler thingy on Saturday, but I don't.
So I shall join Karl and Joc and whoever else comes along for a bit of
a blast and to show off my freshly compiled KDE 3.1 (mmmmm...
optimised).

It being a mini-LAN, I shall just bring along my mini-monitor, though. :-)

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Although it is still a truism in industry that "no one was ever fired for
buying IBM," Bill O'Neil, the chief technology officer at Drexel Burnham
Lambert, says he knows for a fact that someone has been fired for just that
reason.  He knows it because he fired the guy.
	"He made a bad decision, and what it came down to was, 'Well, I
bought it because I figured it was safe to buy IBM,'"  Mr. O'Neil says.
"I said, 'No.  Wrong.  Game over.  Next contestant, please.'"
		-- The Wall Street Journal, December 6, 1989

From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Fri Feb 14 15:27:27 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Fri Feb 14 15:27:27 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Short notice mini-LAN
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD01465DFD@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>

<leaving bits of Pete on the cutting room floor>

> It being a mini-LAN, I shall just bring along my mini-monitor, though. :-)
> 
*sigh*, Apple are selling their 17" LCD's (1280x1024) for just over 1K.

"I have a dream ... where PC and Mac users [oi!] ... and Linux users can get
together for LAN parties carrying lightweight, space saving LCD monitors."

*snore*

T.

From pete at akira.apana.org.au  Tue Feb 18 23:46:50 2003
From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Tue Feb 18 23:46:50 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] QuakeWorld & Quake2
Message-ID: <20030218154151.GE6010@cartman.flooble.net.au>

Hey all,

I was wondering if, on the next mini-(or not quite so mini)-LAN[0], it
might be possible to try playing ye olde QuakeWorld or ye
not-quite-so-olde Quake 2?

I've just been playing with a newly built version of Quake2Forge 0.2.1
(based on the Quake 2 source code) on Linux, which reminded me to play
with my QuakeForge 0.5.2 (based on the Quake 1 source code)[1].

This link provides binaries for Win32 and Linux:

http://quakeforge.net/files.php

...and I was just looking around to see if there are recent (network
compatible) binaries available for Quake/Quake2 for Mac OSX. And
apparently there are:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/games/quake.html

This is an Apple site providing a link to the Fruitz of Dojo website,
where they've built Mac OSX binaries of Quake1 and Quake2, along with
quite a few other bits of software:

http://www.fruitz-of-dojo.de/php/download.php4?Fruitz%20of%20Dojo=89e4d3da98849fab2cd12643f78bcf8a

Anyone feeling up to giving a test run of either (or both) of these on
their Windows or Mac machines? I know they both run beautifully on my
Linux machine.

If they're relatively easy to get going, I think it'd be quite fun to
try them out... for example, I must admit that I've never played
QuakeWorld deathmatch myself, but I've heard that it still has a solid
(admittedly hardcore) fanbase even today, even in preference to the
later Quake releases. I'd like a chance to see why ;-).

Pete.

[0] The one last Saturday was fun, thanks Joc&Karl. Although I was
very effectively reminded of how much I suck at Counterstrike :).
Very embarrassing having Cam running towards me and shooting me down
at _long_ range with a pistol while I was crouching (which is supposed
to make your aim better) and trying to shoot him, barely hitting him
at all. Sigh.

[1] In case you weren't aware, id (the company behind all the Quakes)
has been routinely releasing the source code for their older games
under the GPL for a few years now... usually about the same time as
they make a new major release. Theoretically this implies that the
source code for Quake3 will be released when Doom3 comes out.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Right now, you're giving the impression of someone who couldn't
recognize a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked
on a harpsichord singing 'subtle plans are here again'.
	-- Gary Callison (aka Huey) on news.admin.net-abuse.email

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Wed Mar  5 13:06:53 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Mar  5 13:06:53 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] A new Prince of Persia game!
Message-ID: <20030305130007.U25487@shugg.net>

Hi all,

Ok, not exactly LAN party news, but I've been very lax on that front.

Anyone who remembers (fondly or otherwise) the old Prince of Persia
games on PC (and Amiga, was it?) might be interested to know about a new
PoP game in development called Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time.  It
looks a lot better than the PoP 3D game that came out a few years ago
(though that wasn't bad, bas best I recall).  Only three screenshots so
far, but with some very nice lighting effects, which translates into
"hey Andrew, guess what, your box won't run this".  ;)

  New Prince of Persia game announced

  Ubi Soft announces that there's a brand-new Prince of Persia game in
  development at its Montreal studio.

  http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2911961,00.html

Plus I think it's great that there are games coming out of Canada.  It
wouldn't do for the US to hog everything.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Wed Mar  5 14:27:20 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Wed Mar  5 14:27:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] A new Prince of Persia game!
In-Reply-To: <20030305130007.U25487@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <000001c2e2df$76118800$3200a8c0@accountant1>

> Anyone who remembers (fondly or otherwise) the old Prince of 
> Persia games on PC (and Amiga, was it?)

Oi! Wot about the Mac! :)  The original even used to run on my old Mac
LC - now that's going back awhile... I don't think the new one will have
QUITE so low hardware requirements, though.  Although funky looking
graphics... Hmmm... PoP multiplayer? :)


- Karl


From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Fri Mar  7 09:34:36 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Fri Mar  7 09:34:36 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Max Payne Kung Fu v3
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD01465E86@PEREXCH01>

Hi all, again, not strictly LAN party material, but you could do worse than
check out this guys personal mod for Max Payne (even works on my mac -
amazing ;-)

Ever wanted to perform a flying spinning kick while flying through the air,
dodge bullets 'like' Keanu in the Matrix, or just wack the bad guys with a
big stick? Well now you can.

http://kungfu.maxpayneheadquarters.com/

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Karl Aloritias
> Reply To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Sent: 	Wednesday, March 5, 2003 14:21 PM
> To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Subject: 	RE: [shuggnet-lanparty] A new Prince of Persia game!
> 
> > Anyone who remembers (fondly or otherwise) the old Prince of 
> > Persia games on PC (and Amiga, was it?)
> 
> Oi! Wot about the Mac! :)  The original even used to run on my old Mac
> LC - now that's going back awhile... I don't think the new one will have
> QUITE so low hardware requirements, though.  Although funky looking
> graphics... Hmmm... PoP multiplayer? :)
> 
> 
> - Karl
> 
> _______________________________________________
> shuggnet-lanparty mailing list
> shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> http://www.shugg.net/lists/listinfo/shuggnet-lanparty
> 
> 

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sat Mar  8 12:32:33 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Sat Mar  8 12:32:33 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Max Payne Kung Fu v3
In-Reply-To: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD01465E86@PEREXCH01>
Message-ID: <63011C32-5057-11D7-A774-000393564E88@iprimus.com.au>

How did you get it to work on the mac version? I've downloaded it and 
installed it like the file said but I can't find any option in the game 
to use it.

Thanks
Cam

On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 09:27 AM, Oldham, Toby wrote:

>
> Hi all, again, not strictly LAN party material, but you could do worse 
> than
> check out this guys personal mod for Max Payne (even works on my mac -
> amazing ;-)
>
> Ever wanted to perform a flying spinning kick while flying through the 
> air,
> dodge bullets 'like' Keanu in the Matrix, or just wack the bad guys 
> with a
> big stick? Well now you can.
>
> http://kungfu.maxpayneheadquarters.com/
>
> T.
>

--
Recorded in the digital domain by an analog brain.


From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sat Mar  8 12:36:43 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sat Mar  8 12:36:43 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] A new Prince of Persia game!
In-Reply-To: <000001c2e2df$76118800$3200a8c0@accountant1>; from algernon@aloku.net on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 02:21:27PM +0800
References: <20030305130007.U25487@shugg.net> <000001c2e2df$76118800$3200a8c0@accountant1>
Message-ID: <20030308122839.A13960@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> > Anyone who remembers (fondly or otherwise) the old Prince of 
> > Persia games on PC (and Amiga, was it?)
> 
> Oi! Wot about the Mac! :)  The original even used to run on my old Mac
> LC - now that's going back awhile... 

It did?  I had no idea ... cool.  I'll have to find a copy of it now.
My old LC630 needs something to do (apart from running Fungus).  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Mar 10 09:18:44 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Mon Mar 10 09:18:44 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Max Payne Kung Fu v3
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD01465EA8@PEREXCH01>

Remember to hold down the option key when you launch the Max Payne App. You
get the settings window at that point - then you select the 'customised
game' option at the bottom and select the game.

One word of warning - the avi fle that comes with the game doesn't like
quicktime (and vice versa).

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Cameron MacFarland
> Reply To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Sent: 	Friday, March 7, 2003 12:43 PM
> To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Subject: 	Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Max Payne Kung Fu v3
> 
> How did you get it to work on the mac version? I've downloaded it and 
> installed it like the file said but I can't find any option in the game 
> to use it.
> 
> Thanks
> Cam
> 
> On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 09:27 AM, Oldham, Toby wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi all, again, not strictly LAN party material, but you could do worse 
> > than
> > check out this guys personal mod for Max Payne (even works on my mac -
> > amazing ;-)
> >
> > Ever wanted to perform a flying spinning kick while flying through the 
> > air,
> > dodge bullets 'like' Keanu in the Matrix, or just wack the bad guys 
> > with a
> > big stick? Well now you can.
> >
> > http://kungfu.maxpayneheadquarters.com/
> >
> > T.
> >
> 
> --
> Recorded in the digital domain by an analog brain.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> shuggnet-lanparty mailing list
> shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> http://www.shugg.net/lists/listinfo/shuggnet-lanparty
> 
> 

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Mar 10 09:24:36 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Mon Mar 10 09:24:36 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] A new Prince of Persia game!
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD01465EA9@PEREXCH01>

I think I _might_ still have my retail copies of POP and POP2 ...

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Andrew Shugg
> Reply To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Sent: 	Saturday, March 8, 2003 12:28 PM
> To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Subject: 	Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] A new Prince of Persia game!
> 
> Quoth Karl:
> > > Anyone who remembers (fondly or otherwise) the old Prince of 
> > > Persia games on PC (and Amiga, was it?)
> > 
> > Oi! Wot about the Mac! :)  The original even used to run on my old Mac
> > LC - now that's going back awhile... 
> 
> It did?  I had no idea ... cool.  I'll have to find a copy of it now.
> My old LC630 needs something to do (apart from running Fungus).  =)
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
> http://shugg.net/andrew/
> 
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and
> wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
> _______________________________________________
> shuggnet-lanparty mailing list
> shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> http://www.shugg.net/lists/listinfo/shuggnet-lanparty
> 
> 

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Mar 24 11:44:51 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Anthony Jones)
Date: Mon Mar 24 11:44:51 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] iRATE radio
Message-ID: <20030324033606.425791C1C1@escher.takahe.net>

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Guys,

Is anyone interested in helping me trial my collaborative filtering Internet
radio software?

It's at a very early stage at the moment and is the result of a frantic 
programming effort over the weekend.

You will need to have a half-way decent computer running Windoze (I'd guess
at least 500 MHz) or a computer running Linux (at least 133 MHz) with a sound
card and an Internet connection. I understand that iMacs come with Java so 
it'd be pretty easy on any self-respecting iMac.

You'll need to download the Java JRE 1.4 which is about 8MB on Windoze or
about 17MB on Linux. My program is about 1MB. Obviously songs are about a meg
a minute.

Anthony
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From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sun Mar 30 11:43:22 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Anthony Jones)
Date: Sun Mar 30 11:43:22 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
In-Reply-To: <20030324033606.425791C1C1@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030324033606.425791C1C1@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030330033712.41A781C126@escher.takahe.net>

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Guys,

I'm having a house warming party at my new place in Wembley Downs.

46 Stockdale Crescent
Wembley Downs
Saturday the 5th of April (next Saturday)
Turn up around 8 ish.
Bring booze.

All welcome.

Anthony
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From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sun Mar 30 14:12:33 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sun Mar 30 14:12:33 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
In-Reply-To: <20030330033712.41A781C126@escher.takahe.net>; from ajones@clear.net.nz on Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 11:37:09AM +0800
References: <20030330033712.41A781C126@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030330135820.E585@shugg.net>

Quoth Anthony:
> Guys,
> 
> I'm having a house warming party at my new place in Wembley Downs.

Woohoo!  =)

Will there be any Q3F?  ;)

Actually, I've got pangs for JailBreak: also known as Andrew-Karl-and-
Anthony-all-get-fragged-and-have-to-wail-piteously-to-Jocelyn-to-get-
their-pathetic-arses-busted-outta-jail.  *grin*

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Mar 31 09:50:56 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Mon Mar 31 09:50:56 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02136F9F@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>

Hmm. Jumping on the coat tails of this email. Heya Andrew - ''letting you
know that I've moved house ... actually, I've moved back into my parents
house. 230 Nicholson Road Subiaco tel 9381 8202.

So y'know, you don't go to the wrong address to get your next comic book
fix. ;)

Cheers,

Tobes.

> ----------
> From: 	Andrew Shugg
> Reply To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Sent: 	Sunday, March 30, 2003 13:58 PM
> To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Subject: 	Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
> 
> Quoth Anthony:
> > Guys,
> > 
> > I'm having a house warming party at my new place in Wembley Downs.
> 
> Woohoo!  =)
> 
> Will there be any Q3F?  ;)
> 
> Actually, I've got pangs for JailBreak: also known as Andrew-Karl-and-
> Anthony-all-get-fragged-and-have-to-wail-piteously-to-Jocelyn-to-get-
> their-pathetic-arses-busted-outta-jail.  *grin*
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
> http://shugg.net/andrew/
> 
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and
> wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
> _______________________________________________
> shuggnet-lanparty mailing list
> shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> http://www.shugg.net/lists/listinfo/shuggnet-lanparty
> 
> 

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Mar 31 10:07:04 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Mon Mar 31 10:07:04 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02136FA4@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>

Whoops. I guess now everyone on this list knows my deepest darkest secret.

I'm a comic book dealer. Don't bother trying to call the cops on me, by the
time they get here I'll be ... [gets handcuffed]

.

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Oldham, Toby
> Reply To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Sent: 	Monday, March 31, 2003 9:15 AM
> To: 	'shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net'
> Subject: 	RE: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
> 
> 
> Hmm. Jumping on the coat tails of this email. Heya Andrew - ''letting you
> know that I've moved house ... actually, I've moved back into my parents
> house. 230 Nicholson Road Subiaco tel 9381 8202.
> 
> So y'know, you don't go to the wrong address to get your next comic book
> fix. ;)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tobes.
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Andrew Shugg
> > Reply To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> > Sent: 	Sunday, March 30, 2003 13:58 PM
> > To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> > Subject: 	Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
> > 
> > Quoth Anthony:
> > > Guys,
> > > 
> > > I'm having a house warming party at my new place in Wembley Downs.
> > 
> > Woohoo!  =)
> > 
> > Will there be any Q3F?  ;)
> > 
> > Actually, I've got pangs for JailBreak: also known as Andrew-Karl-and-
> > Anthony-all-get-fragged-and-have-to-wail-piteously-to-Jocelyn-to-get-
> > their-pathetic-arses-busted-outta-jail.  *grin*
> > 
> > Andrew.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
> > http://shugg.net/andrew/
> > 
> > "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and
> > wouldn't
> > enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
> > _______________________________________________
> > shuggnet-lanparty mailing list
> > shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> > http://www.shugg.net/lists/listinfo/shuggnet-lanparty
> > 
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> shuggnet-lanparty mailing list
> shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> http://www.shugg.net/lists/listinfo/shuggnet-lanparty
> 
> 

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Mar 31 10:09:36 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Anthony Jones)
Date: Mon Mar 31 10:09:36 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
In-Reply-To: <20030330135820.E585@shugg.net>
References: <20030330033712.41A781C126@escher.takahe.net> <20030330135820.E585@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030331020351.983B81C126@escher.takahe.net>

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On Sunday 30 March 2003 13:58, you wrote:
> Quoth Anthony:
> > Guys,
> >
> > I'm having a house warming party at my new place in Wembley Downs.
>
> Woohoo!  =)
>
> Will there be any Q3F?  ;)

Not this time. However my laptop got stolen and I bought a new desktop with a 
1533 MHz Athlon (1800XP) and Geforce II MX video card in it so hopefully 
that's enough grunt to play Q3F. It seems to run TuxRacer OK. I'll host a LAN 
party sometime if others can bring hubs and cables.

> Actually, I've got pangs for JailBreak: also known as Andrew-Karl-and-
> Anthony-all-get-fragged-and-have-to-wail-piteously-to-Jocelyn-to-get-
> their-pathetic-arses-busted-outta-jail.  *grin*
>
> Andrew.
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From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Mar 31 13:06:53 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Mar 31 13:06:53 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
In-Reply-To: <20030331020351.983B81C126@escher.takahe.net>; from ajones@clear.net.nz on Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:03:33AM +0800
References: <20030330033712.41A781C126@escher.takahe.net> <20030330135820.E585@shugg.net> <20030331020351.983B81C126@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030331125929.A5509@shugg.net>

Quoth Anthony:
> Not this time. However my laptop got stolen 

Oh no, not more computer thievery.  =(

> ... and I bought a new desktop with a 1533 MHz Athlon (1800XP) and
> Geforce II MX video card in it so hopefully that's enough grunt to
> play Q3F. It seems to run TuxRacer OK. I'll host a LAN party sometime
> if others can bring hubs and cables.

I am sure this can be arranged.  I have a bag full of cat5 cables.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Mar 31 13:57:11 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Mar 31 13:57:11 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
In-Reply-To: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02136FA4@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>; from TobyO@screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au on Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:01:49AM +0800
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02136FA4@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20030331135224.B5509@shugg.net>

Quoth Toby:
> Whoops. I guess now everyone on this list knows my deepest darkest secret.

Argh!

> I'm a comic book dealer. Don't bother trying to call the cops on me, by the
> time they get here I'll be ... [gets handcuffed]
> 
> .
> 
> T.

Don't worry Tobes, these messages will self-destruct after reading anyway.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Mar 31 15:52:17 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Peter Wright)
Date: Mon Mar 31 15:52:17 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
In-Reply-To: <20030331125929.A5509@shugg.net>
References: <20030330033712.41A781C126@escher.takahe.net> <20030330135820.E585@shugg.net> <20030331020351.983B81C126@escher.takahe.net> <20030331125929.A5509@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030331072913.GA285@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 31/03 12:59:32, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Anthony:
> > Not this time. However my laptop got stolen 
> 
> Oh no, not more computer thievery.  =(

Yes - I do declare that that sucketh most extremely.

I'm hoping you didn't lose too much data, but I'm guessing that
that'll probably be a vain hope... unless you were in the habit of
making regular backups.

> > ... and I bought a new desktop with a 1533 MHz Athlon (1800XP) and
> > Geforce II MX video card in it so hopefully that's enough grunt to
> > play Q3F. It seems to run TuxRacer OK.

Well, that's always the big test :-).

Mmmm, TuxRacer.

BTW, I have now bought Jodes a shiny new machine (which is also an
Athlon 1800XP), and along with it I bought.... (bahm bahm BAHHHH) a
switch.

Okay, only an eight-port switch, but it's a start. ;-)

> > I'll host a LAN party sometime if others can bring hubs and
> > cables.
> 
> I am sure this can be arranged.  I have a bag full of cat5 cables.  =)

*waves hands* Woh woh wohhhhh.

Yes, I really was on the verge of organdising a LAN party at my new
address, but I just needed to check with Craig what dates would be
okay with him.... then we can do the whole LAN-party between two
house thing. ;-)

Though I'm also waiting for my "good" monitor to come back from being
repaired... which is taking a while. Oh, the humanity, etc.

> Andrew.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"DAMN WHO MESSED WITH MY CAPSLOCK KEY that's better."
     --geoff lane, <e886430646@swirld.mcc.ac.uk>, asr

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Tue Apr  1 10:03:02 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Anthony Jones)
Date: Tue Apr  1 10:03:02 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
In-Reply-To: <20030331072913.GA285@cartman.flooble.net.au>
References: <20030330033712.41A781C126@escher.takahe.net> <20030331125929.A5509@shugg.net> <20030331072913.GA285@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030401015401.14F3E1C126@escher.takahe.net>

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On Monday 31 March 2003 15:29, you wrote:
> On 31/03 12:59:32, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > Quoth Anthony:
> > > Not this time. However my laptop got stolen
> >
> > Oh no, not more computer thievery.  =(
>
> Yes - I do declare that that sucketh most extremely.
>
> I'm hoping you didn't lose too much data, but I'm guessing that
> that'll probably be a vain hope... unless you were in the habit of
> making regular backups.

I ran CVS on my other machine which is an old clunker so luckily they didn't 
steal it. Also my mail was on the crappy machine. My wife's lost a bit of old 
email and a contact list she was working on but altogether not too bad.

> > > ... and I bought a new desktop with a 1533 MHz Athlon (1800XP) and
> > > Geforce II MX video card in it so hopefully that's enough grunt to
> > > play Q3F. It seems to run TuxRacer OK.
>
> Well, that's always the big test :-).
>
> Mmmm, TuxRacer.
>
> BTW, I have now bought Jodes a shiny new machine (which is also an
> Athlon 1800XP), and along with it I bought.... (bahm bahm BAHHHH) a
> switch.

Cool. BTW - my Athlon makes a hell of a lot of noise. Do you know where I can 
get a really large heat sync with a temperature switched fan?

I've configured my machine in the living room which plays music (iRATE of 
course) to shut down the hard drive after 60 seconds of inactivity (when no 
music is playing) and I've disconnected the CPU fan - it's a 300 MHz Cyrix 
processor running at 233 MHz. I'm hoping it won't overheat because it's so 
under-clocked. Time will tell.

> Okay, only an eight-port switch, but it's a start. ;-)

Sounds useful. I've run out of slots in Escher (my Internet connected 
machine) so I'm going to have to turf out other cards if I want to add more 
network connections on my existing setup.

> > > I'll host a LAN party sometime if others can bring hubs and
> > > cables.
> >
> > I am sure this can be arranged.  I have a bag full of cat5 cables.  =)
>
> *waves hands* Woh woh wohhhhh.
>
> Yes, I really was on the verge of organdising a LAN party at my new
> address, but I just needed to check with Craig what dates would be
> okay with him.... then we can do the whole LAN-party between two
> house thing. ;-)

Then it's not a LAN party it's a VPN party.

> Though I'm also waiting for my "good" monitor to come back from being
> repaired... which is taking a while. Oh, the humanity, etc.

Anthony
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From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Tue Apr  1 12:28:16 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (George)
Date: Tue Apr  1 12:28:16 2003
Subject: Re[2]: [shuggnet-lanparty] Quiet! :)
In-Reply-To: <20030401015401.14F3E1C126@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030330033712.41A781C126@escher.takahe.net>
 <20030331125929.A5509@shugg.net> <20030331072913.GA285@cartman.flooble.net.au>
 <20030401015401.14F3E1C126@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <1374359061.20030401122407@bigpond.net.au>

Hi Anthony,

You wrote:

> Cool. BTW - my Athlon makes a hell of a lot of noise. Do you know where I can
> get a really large heat sync with a temperature switched fan?

An excellent question. One that I've been researching a bit myself :)

There is a korean company called "Zalman" that specialises in noise
prevention computer components:

http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/intro.htm

They make some awesome stuff that really does work. I've recently
"Zalmafied" (tm) my server box, because it's on all the time and I got
annoyed with the constant noise that it makes especially in the middle
of the night. I bought a noise prevention power supply, a flower
heatsink cooler for the CPU, and a special heatsink for the video
card. The power suppply makes virtually no noise at all, really a heck
of alot quieter than even a so called "noise-killer" AOpen power
supply. The CPU cooler makes virtually no noise at all, far less than
the stock standard celeron cooler (which actually wasn't THAT noisy
compared to Athlons) and the video card heatsink is a dream, because
it needs no fan and thus is absolutely silent!

The result: my server is by far the quietest computer I've ever heard.
The noisiest part is the hard drive - I can hear the hard drive idling
above any other noise from the system.

I've just ordered another batch of zalman products to "zalmafy" one of
my other machines.

The place that I order them from locally is called "Understanding
Computers", and their website is here:

http://insight.iinet.net.au/

I've done alot of emailing around and as far as I know they are the
only place in perth you can order zalman stuff from. There are some
site for companies over east that sell zalman stuff but with the
prices here are better, and you have a lower postage cost.


-- 
Cheers,
 George



From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Tue Apr  1 12:58:12 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Anthony Jones)
Date: Tue Apr  1 12:58:12 2003
Subject: Re[2]: [shuggnet-lanparty] Quiet! :)
In-Reply-To: <1374359061.20030401122407@bigpond.net.au>
References: <20030330033712.41A781C126@escher.takahe.net> <20030401015401.14F3E1C126@escher.takahe.net> <1374359061.20030401122407@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030401045115.BBEDB1C126@escher.takahe.net>

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George,

Thanks. That's exactly what I'm after.

Anthony

On Tuesday 01 April 2003 12:24, you wrote:
> Hi Anthony,
>
> You wrote:
> > Cool. BTW - my Athlon makes a hell of a lot of noise. Do you know where I
> > can get a really large heat sync with a temperature switched fan?
>
> An excellent question. One that I've been researching a bit myself :)
>
> There is a korean company called "Zalman" that specialises in noise
> prevention computer components:
>
> http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/intro.htm
>
> They make some awesome stuff that really does work. I've recently
> "Zalmafied" (tm) my server box, because it's on all the time and I got
> annoyed with the constant noise that it makes especially in the middle
> of the night. I bought a noise prevention power supply, a flower
> heatsink cooler for the CPU, and a special heatsink for the video
> card. The power suppply makes virtually no noise at all, really a heck
> of alot quieter than even a so called "noise-killer" AOpen power
> supply. The CPU cooler makes virtually no noise at all, far less than
> the stock standard celeron cooler (which actually wasn't THAT noisy
> compared to Athlons) and the video card heatsink is a dream, because
> it needs no fan and thus is absolutely silent!
>
> The result: my server is by far the quietest computer I've ever heard.
> The noisiest part is the hard drive - I can hear the hard drive idling
> above any other noise from the system.
>
> I've just ordered another batch of zalman products to "zalmafy" one of
> my other machines.
>
> The place that I order them from locally is called "Understanding
> Computers", and their website is here:
>
> http://insight.iinet.net.au/
>
> I've done alot of emailing around and as far as I know they are the
> only place in perth you can order zalman stuff from. There are some
> site for companies over east that sell zalman stuff but with the
> prices here are better, and you have a lower postage cost.
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From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Tue Apr  1 16:27:57 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Apr  1 16:27:57 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] House warming at my place
In-Reply-To: <20030401015401.14F3E1C126@escher.takahe.net>; from ajones@clear.net.nz on Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:53:58AM +0800
References: <20030330033712.41A781C126@escher.takahe.net> <20030331125929.A5509@shugg.net> <20030331072913.GA285@cartman.flooble.net.au> <20030401015401.14F3E1C126@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030401161848.A12636@shugg.net>

Quoth Anthony:
> On Monday 31 March 2003 15:29, you wrote:
> > Yes, I really was on the verge of organdising a LAN party at my new
> > address, but I just needed to check with Craig what dates would be
> > okay with him.... then we can do the whole LAN-party between two
> > house thing. ;-)
> 
> Then it's not a LAN party it's a VPN party.

Still a LAN: they live next door and can string cat5 out the window.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Apr 14 11:36:31 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (WEZ!)
Date: Mon Apr 14 11:36:31 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN Party
Message-ID: <p05010401babfce7b7823@[192.168.1.249]>

Just a bit of a feel for people interested in a Lan Party here on 
this coming Saturday?

A group of Friends are keen to play some starcraft for some reason so 
if we have enough people may do that a bit and the old fps as well.

So who feels like something.

I'm in Carlisle here if that is of interest

will be away for a few days so dont' expect any speedy reply

WEZ!

i have no idea how many of these email address still work so 
hopefully some people will hear about it :)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Apr 14 13:06:20 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Anthony Jones)
Date: Mon Apr 14 13:06:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN Party
In-Reply-To: <p05010401babfce7b7823@[192.168.1.249]>
References: <p05010401babfce7b7823@[192.168.1.249]>
Message-ID: <20030414050154.EF22E1C1AE@escher.takahe.net>

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On Monday 14 April 2003 10:37, you wrote:
> Just a bit of a feel for people interested in a Lan Party here on
> this coming Saturday?
>
> A group of Friends are keen to play some starcraft for some reason so
> if we have enough people may do that a bit and the old fps as well.

Now that I'm not confined to a graphically impaired computer I can kill 
people much better. Of course I don't have/use Windoze so I'll have to 
convince Pete the Linux games guru to help me get the games running on Linux.

Anthony

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From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Tue Apr 15 15:22:19 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Peter Wright)
Date: Tue Apr 15 15:22:19 2003
Subject: ...and *another* LAN party on Good Friday (was Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN Party)
In-Reply-To: <20030414050154.EF22E1C1AE@escher.takahe.net>
References: <p05010401babfce7b7823@[192.168.1.249]> <20030414050154.EF22E1C1AE@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030415020207.GB31852@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 14/04 13:01:51, Anthony Jones wrote:
> On Monday 14 April 2003 10:37, Wez the Infamous(tm) wrote:
> > Just a bit of a feel for people interested in a Lan Party here on
> > this coming Saturday?
> >
> > A group of Friends are keen to play some starcraft for some reason
> > so if we have enough people may do that a bit and the old fps as well.
> 
> Now that I'm not confined to a graphically impaired computer I can
> kill people much better. Of course I don't have/use Windoze so I'll
> have to convince Pete the Linux games guru to help me get the games
> running on Linux.

I'd be glad to, Sir Anthony - as I would also be glad to join Wez for
an extra LANing on Saturday, sad sod that I am (see below ;-)).

However.... ironically enough, Craig the Foster and I had only *just*
decided to follow in the tradition of Karl the Extremely-Last-Minute-LANner
and see if we could hold a LAN party this _Friday_.... (the 18th of
April, ie. Good Friday, also known as Slaughter-All-Your-Friends-via-LAN
Friday).

The menu we were considering included the fairly standard fare of
Quake 3 Fortress, Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 Urban Terror
(which we haven't played much before, but it's good - a
Counterstrike-like-but-better-IMO mod for Quake 3)... and I'd like to
have a bash at some ye olde Quake deathmatch (which would be _very_
cool if we could get it running *evil grin*).

Quick summary:

When: This Friday (18th April). Yes, it's a public holiday (or so I've
been informed)[0]. Starting whenever people feel like coming over,
which is officially around noon but is usually early-to-mid afternoon.

Where: The adjacent houses of Craig's place and my place:
       Units 3 and 4, 8 Ravenswood Drive, Nollamara. (mine is #4, Craig's is #3)

What: Quake 3 Fortress. Quake 3 Urban Terror. Unreal Tournament. Maybe
some "original" QuakeDM. Probably a *hell* of a lot of filesharing via
the nice fast switched LAN, mainly off Craig's extremely well-endowed
FTP server.

Why: Erm, because we're way waaay overdue for a LAN party, as
exemplified by Anthony considering hosting one before and Wez offering
to host one on Saturday (where was your place again, Wez? ;-)).

How Many Spare LAN-Worthy Machines Are Available So I Could Just Turn
Up Without Going To The Effort Of Uprooting My Machine: *FOUR*. Yes,
four. Really. Craig has two _extra_ machines, I have two extra
machines. Please, please say you'd like to come along and not bring a
machine[1], then you can use one of them. That'd be nice and easy.


> Anthony


After all that...

...If nobody at _all_ is interested - ie. you're all going off on
holiday, visiting family, doing other miscellaneous stuff, would
rather go to just Wez's LAN party on Saturday, or you simply don't
like me :), Craig and I will just have to play with ourselves.

Erm. You know what I mean. ;-))


Pete.

[0] Yes, it's an Extremely Solemn(tm) Christian holiday too, so some
may think it inappropriate to repeatedly kill each other on such a
day. *pause for solemn thought* Or not. *grin*

[1] Hell, just bring your favourite keyboard and mouse :).
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
~
~
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".signature" 4 lines, 50 characters written

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Tue Apr 15 16:48:10 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Tue Apr 15 16:48:10 2003
Subject: ...and *another* LAN party on Good Friday (was Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN Party)
In-Reply-To: <20030415020207.GB31852@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <000c01c30325$27cdae10$3200a8c0@accountant1>

On sometime, somedate Pete informed us:
> However.... ironically enough, Craig the Foster and I had 
> only *just* decided to follow in the tradition of Karl the 
> Extremely-Last-Minute-LANner

Hey!

> and see if we could hold a LAN 
> party this _Friday_.... (the 18th of April, ie. Good Friday, 
> also known as Slaughter-All-Your-Friends-via-LAN
> Friday).

Allright, you've convinced me.

Hmmm.... that new title could catch on!  We could even make it a yearly
custom, or even an annual tradition.  Actually, considering the recent
frequency of LANs.... :)

> The menu we were considering included the fairly standard 
> fare of Quake 3 Fortress, Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 Urban 
> Terror (which we haven't played much before, but it's good - 
> a Counterstrike-like-but-better-IMO mod for Quake 3)... and 
> I'd like to have a bash at some ye olde Quake deathmatch 
> (which would be _very_ cool if we could get it running *evil grin*).

Add q3/ut jailbreak?  Always good for a laugh... The pitiful cries of
'Jocelyn, save us!' echoing down the hallway....

<snip stuff>

> What: Quake 3 Fortress. Quake 3 Urban Terror. Unreal 
> Tournament. Maybe some "original" QuakeDM. Probably a *hell* 
> of a lot of filesharing via the nice fast switched LAN, 
> mainly off Craig's extremely well-endowed FTP server.

Does the nice fast switched LAN need another nice fast switch, or can I
leave it at home?

> How Many Spare LAN-Worthy Machines Are Available So I Could 
> Just Turn Up Without Going To The Effort Of Uprooting My 
> Machine: *FOUR*. Yes, four. Really. Craig has two _extra_ 
> machines, I have two extra machines. Please, please say you'd 
> like to come along and not bring a machine[1], then you can 
> use one of them. That'd be nice and easy.

Well, I personally will BYO.  Especially if there are well-endowed FTP
servers just crying out to be schlurpped :-)

Hmmm.... I could even bring TWO boxen, one to schlurpp and one to frag.
Nah, I'll just rock up at lunchtime and by the time everyone else is
there (about teatime, usually :-) ) I will have schlurpped my fill of
schlurpping.  Except if I have to rush off to buy an extra HD if my fill
of schlurpping is not fulfilled by the schurpping I can do with my
current schlurpping capacity....

Okay, just how well-endowed IS this FTP server?  I have heard The
Rumours(tm) - can we have a filelist in advance? :-)

> ...If nobody at _all_ is interested - ie. you're all going 
> off on holiday, visiting family, doing other miscellaneous 
> stuff, would rather go to just Wez's LAN party on Saturday, 
> or you simply don't like me :), Craig and I will just have to 
> play with ourselves.
> 
> Erm. You know what I mean. ;-))

We certainly do.  I'll arrive a bit later than usual to give you two
some time to yourselves ;-)

- Karl


From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sat Apr 19 01:05:55 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Jocelyn Kuan)
Date: Sat Apr 19 01:05:55 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] WEZ!'s address
Message-ID: <IDECIJKODILAMHJHODPDCEICCGAA.jaws@aloku.net>

For those interested in attending today's LAN at WEZ!'s place and noticed
that he didn't give the address:

Apparently it is 32 Harris St, Carlisle.

- Karl (using Jocelyn's address 'cause my computer is still dissassembled)


From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sat Apr 19 03:06:12 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (WEZ!)
Date: Sat Apr 19 03:06:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN Party
In-Reply-To: <p05010401babfce7b7823@[192.168.1.249]>
References: <p05010401babfce7b7823@[192.168.1.249]>
Message-ID: <p05010401bac5935c5ee3@[192.168.1.249]>

More info on the LAN tomorrow for all who are interested.

Midday Saturday 18th

32 Harris Street Carlisle

contact number for me if you need it:
9355 1619 or
0403 876 800

Bring youself, computer power boards etc. Money for lunch or snacks 
if/when we do a lunch/snack run

Optional things we could need :
additional switch, hub T100
fold up table would be great.

Hope we see a decent group for tomorrow for some trashing

i want to play that gail break myself some time though need tin install it etc\

computer has been rendering all week and should be finished by 
tomorrow i'm hoping

Catcha guys tomorrow or at other times

WEZ!

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sat Apr 19 11:35:31 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sat Apr 19 11:35:31 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] WEZ!'s address
In-Reply-To: <IDECIJKODILAMHJHODPDCEICCGAA.jaws@aloku.net>; from jaws@aloku.net on Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 01:03:56AM +0800
References: <IDECIJKODILAMHJHODPDCEICCGAA.jaws@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030419112742.A15319@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl (dressed as Jocelyn):
> For those interested in attending today's LAN at WEZ!'s place and noticed
> that he didn't give the address:
> 
> Apparently it is 32 Harris St, Carlisle.

He did send another email with the address (it's come through now), it
just required moderator approval to go onto the list because the Cc list
was so damn big.  ;)

Don't think I'll be making it to Wez's place today but good luck to any
that are, should be fun.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sat Apr 19 12:35:29 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sat Apr 19 12:35:29 2003
Subject: ...and *another* LAN party on Good Friday (was Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN Party)
In-Reply-To: <000c01c30325$27cdae10$3200a8c0@accountant1>; from algernon@aloku.net on Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 04:00:54PM +0800
References: <20030415020207.GB31852@cartman.flooble.net.au> <000c01c30325$27cdae10$3200a8c0@accountant1>
Message-ID: <20030419123044.B15319@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> Hmmm.... that new title could catch on!  We could even make it a yearly
> custom, or even an annual tradition.  Actually, considering the recent
> frequency of LANs.... :)

We should aim for something every six weeks I think.  I should probably
volunteer our house sometime.  The rooms aren't cabled yet though.  ;)

> > The menu we were considering included the fairly standard 
> > fare of Quake 3 Fortress, Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 Urban 
> > Terror (which we haven't played much before, but it's good - 
> > a Counterstrike-like-but-better-IMO mod for Quake 3)... and 
> > I'd like to have a bash at some ye olde Quake deathmatch 
> > (which would be _very_ cool if we could get it running *evil grin*).
> 
> Add q3/ut jailbreak?  Always good for a laugh... The pitiful cries of
> 'Jocelyn, save us!' echoing down the hallway....

Hee hee.  =)

Shame we didn't play any any JailBreak - or at least if it was being
played, it was all over before I turned up.   I really enjoyed that last
time.  Especially the piteous wailing to Jocelyn.  =)

I liked the Urban Terror mod on Quake3.  We really needed more people
playing though; the 2-on-2 thing wasn't really all that exciting,
especially with Karl 0wning on all the maps.  ;P

Andrew, who fragged Karl a bit.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sun Apr 20 00:10:56 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Sun Apr 20 00:10:56 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Quake3 CDs and LAN parties
Message-ID: <1050768511.24075.8.camel@moncrieff>

Some time ago, at a long-forgotten LAN at Pete's place, a Quake 3 CD was
misplaced, and only resurfaced when Pete sorted through his stuff when
he moved.

Yesterday I attended a LAN at Pete's new place.  I brought along a Quake
3 CD.  Lo and behold, it's now missing.

Coincidence?  I think not!

I hereby accuse Pete of willfully and visciously stealing my Quake 3 CD
in order to make me get out of practice and thus unable to whoop his
sorry ass quite so badly at the next LAN :-)

If he wants to refute this allegation he can meet me in a
trial-by-deathmatch :-)


Alternatively, if anyone (especially Pete) finds that they have an extra
(Linux - identifiable by the 'setup.sh' file on the root level - don't
be fooled by the Windoze 'autorun.inf' which it also possesses) Quake 3
CD lying around, could they please let me know?

- Karl




From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sun Apr 20 16:16:48 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sun Apr 20 16:16:48 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Quake3 CDs and LAN parties
In-Reply-To: <1050768511.24075.8.camel@moncrieff>; from algernon@aloku.net on Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:08:31AM +0800
References: <1050768511.24075.8.camel@moncrieff>
Message-ID: <20030420160911.A28099@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> Some time ago, at a long-forgotten LAN at Pete's place, a Quake 3 CD was
> misplaced, and only resurfaced when Pete sorted through his stuff when
> he moved.

Yup, and now I've snaffled it to return it to its rightful owner.  =)

> Yesterday I attended a LAN at Pete's new place.  I brought along a Quake
> 3 CD.  Lo and behold, it's now missing.
> 
> Coincidence?  I think not!

Once you bring objects within Pete's chaotic sphere of influence you are
well-advised to keep your eye on them at all times.

> I hereby accuse Pete of willfully and visciously stealing my Quake 3 CD
> in order to make me get out of practice and thus unable to whoop his
> sorry ass quite so badly at the next LAN :-)

Actually this time it was your fault.  You left the CD on the bookshelf
thingy next to the table where you had your computer.

> If he wants to refute this allegation he can meet me in a
> trial-by-deathmatch :-)

That might be fun.  We need some normal boring old deathmatch I think.
I enjoyed my 20/10 victory over Pete in Q3A.  And I think last time we
played Q3A deathmatch (with about 6 people) I won as well.  =)

Andrew, who was whoop-assed by Karl in Q3:UT on Friday, argh.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Thu Apr 24 14:36:43 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Apr 24 14:36:43 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
Message-ID: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net>

Marvel in its simplicity and uselessness now at

  http://shugg.net/lanparty/

If anyone has links to mod downloads, game info pages, player guides, or
absolutely anything else of possible interest to our LAN party community,
please post it to the list or directly to myself and I'll see that it
gets added.

Thanks,

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Thu Apr 24 14:51:59 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Thu Apr 24 14:51:59 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD0213713A@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>

Ah Andrew, you rock. :-)

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Andrew Shugg
> Reply To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Sent: 	Thursday, April 24, 2003 14:29 PM
> To: 	ShuggNet LANParty List
> Subject: 	[shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
> 
> Marvel in its simplicity and uselessness now at
> 
>   http://shugg.net/lanparty/
> 
> If anyone has links to mod downloads, game info pages, player guides, or
> absolutely anything else of possible interest to our LAN party community,
> please post it to the list or directly to myself and I'll see that it
> gets added.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
> http://shugg.net/andrew/
> 
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and
> wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
> _______________________________________________
> shuggnet-lanparty mailing list
> shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> http://www.shugg.net/lists/listinfo/shuggnet-lanparty
> 
> 

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Thu Apr 24 15:21:11 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Apr 24 15:21:11 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <000501c30a31$831f55d0$3200a8c0@accountant1>

> Marvel in its simplicity and uselessness now at
> 
>   http://shugg.net/lanparty/

Ohh, wow, it really IS crap! :-)
Nahh, it's actually fairly decent, considering the lack of content.
Maybe too much whitespace though, IMHO.

We have a mailing list, we have a web page.  When's the blog coming up?
*GDR*

Hey, are we going to have a 'frag of the LANparty' gallery? :-)

> If anyone has links to mod downloads, game info pages, player 
> guides, or absolutely anything else of possible interest to 
> our LAN party community, please post it to the list or 
> directly to myself and I'll see that it gets added.

For starters, how about stuff like:

Q3 Urban Terror (seeing as how well it went down last Friday):
http://www.urbanterror.net

Planet Quake:
http://www.planetquake.com/
http://www.planetquake.com/quake3/

Planet Unreal:
http://www.planetunreal.com/

Marathon Resurrection (Yes, I know this hasn't made a LANparty
appearance - yet - it's a mod for UT bringing back and updating Bungie's
good ol' Marathon [mac] games which I shall probably bring to the next
LAN):
http://resurrection.bungie.org/

And, of course:
http://www.sharewarejunkies.com/Mac/fungus.htm
http://smokeping.planetmirror.com/pub/imrom/netfungus/

- Karl


From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Thu Apr 24 17:11:55 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Apr 24 17:11:55 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net>
References: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030424090509.GC1113@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 24/04 14:29:18, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Marvel in its simplicity and uselessness now at
> 
>   http://shugg.net/lanparty/

Marvelling duly completed. :)

> If anyone has links to mod downloads, game info pages, player
> guides, or absolutely anything else of possible interest to our LAN
> party community, please post it to the list or directly to myself
> and I'll see that it gets added.

Just a note - the most recent LP would have been at Wez's place on the
19th April. Apparently they played a lot of Unreal Tournament. I'm
annoyed that I slept through most of Saturday and thus missed it :-(.

> Thanks,
> Andrew.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
A bug in the hand is better than one as yet undetected.

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Thu Apr 24 17:27:57 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Apr 24 17:27:57 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <20030424090509.GC1113@cartman.flooble.net.au>; from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 05:05:09PM +0800
References: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net> <20030424090509.GC1113@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030424171814.A14534@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> Just a note - the most recent LP would have been at Wez's place on the
> 19th April. Apparently they played a lot of Unreal Tournament. I'm
> annoyed that I slept through most of Saturday and thus missed it :-(.

Neither you nor I made it to Wez's LAN party and so ipso facto it was
not as successful as your one the previous day.  ;)

Sorry Wez.  Are you up for another LAN day sometime soon?  Now that we
all have your address and stuff it's easier.  *g*  This long weekend or
next weekend maybe?  Or are you too busy?

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Thu Apr 24 17:39:20 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Apr 24 17:39:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <000501c30a31$831f55d0$3200a8c0@accountant1>; from algernon@aloku.net on Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 03:17:02PM +0800
References: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net> <000501c30a31$831f55d0$3200a8c0@accountant1>
Message-ID: <20030424172736.B14534@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> Ohh, wow, it really IS crap! :-)

Yesssssssssssssss.

Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict though.  ;P

> Nahh, it's actually fairly decent, considering the lack of content.
> Maybe too much whitespace though, IMHO.

Whitespace is my substitute for content.  Others use graphics to make
borders, inactive menus, etc.  I just go for big blank bits.  =)

That said, I will put some more content in to make you happy.

> We have a mailing list, we have a web page.  When's the blog coming up?
> *GDR*

It ain't.  We might start doing online scoring or something though.  It
would be completely inaccurate but fun in a pointless kind of way.

> Hey, are we going to have a 'frag of the LANparty' gallery? :-)

Sure.  People just need to make pics.

> > If anyone has links to mod downloads, game info pages, player 
> > guides, or absolutely anything else of possible interest to 
> > our LAN party community, please post it to the list or 
> > directly to myself and I'll see that it gets added.
> 
> For starters, how about stuff like:
> 
> Q3 Urban Terror (seeing as how well it went down last Friday):
> http://www.urbanterror.net

Yep.

> Planet Quake:
> http://www.planetquake.com/
> http://www.planetquake.com/quake3/

Okay.

> Planet Unreal:
> http://www.planetunreal.com/

Yep.

> Marathon Resurrection (Yes, I know this hasn't made a LANparty
> appearance - yet - it's a mod for UT bringing back and updating Bungie's
> good ol' Marathon [mac] games which I shall probably bring to the next
> LAN):
> http://resurrection.bungie.org/

Okay.

> And, of course:
> http://www.sharewarejunkies.com/Mac/fungus.htm
> http://smokeping.planetmirror.com/pub/imrom/netfungus/

There's already a networked version of Fungus?  Doh!  I didn't know
about it.  Pete, you need to get on with your one so that we can play it
in more than just Mac OS 8.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Thu Apr 24 18:03:12 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Apr 24 18:03:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <20030424171814.A14534@shugg.net>
References: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net>
 <20030424090509.GC1113@cartman.flooble.net.au>
 <20030424171814.A14534@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <1051178103.9293.7.camel@moncrieff>

On Thu, 2003-04-24 at 17:18, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Peter:
> > Just a note - the most recent LP would have been at Wez's place on the
> > 19th April. Apparently they played a lot of Unreal Tournament. I'm
> > annoyed that I slept through most of Saturday and thus missed it :-(.
> 
> Neither you nor I made it to Wez's LAN party and so ipso facto it was
> not as successful as your one the previous day.  ;)

You missed much - some people have been practicing, dammit!  I'm sure it
would have given you much amusement to see how thoroughly I was hammered
on the InstaGib / fractal arena rounds....

> Sorry Wez.  Are you up for another LAN day sometime soon?  Now that we
> all have your address and stuff it's easier.  *g*  This long weekend or
> next weekend maybe?  Or are you too busy?

And for those of us there on I've even discovered a workaround for
getting Urban Terror to work with Bodgy DHCP Servers(tm).  So there's no
more excuses.

- Karl


From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Thu Apr 24 18:55:42 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Apr 24 18:55:42 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <1051178103.9293.7.camel@moncrieff>; from algernon@aloku.net on Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 05:55:03PM +0800
References: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net> <20030424090509.GC1113@cartman.flooble.net.au> <20030424171814.A14534@shugg.net> <1051178103.9293.7.camel@moncrieff>
Message-ID: <20030424184721.C14534@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> You missed much - some people have been practicing, dammit!  I'm sure it
> would have given you much amusement to see how thoroughly I was hammered
> on the InstaGib / fractal arena rounds....

I'd've liked to've been there, but I wasn't, and I truly regret it.

Any excuse to 'bravely' go on Wez's team and waste Karl.

> And for those of us there on I've even discovered a workaround for
> getting Urban Terror to work with Bodgy DHCP Servers(tm).  So there's no
> more excuses.

Was that what was causing the headaches on Friday?

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Thu Apr 24 18:58:13 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Apr 24 18:58:13 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <1051178103.9293.7.camel@moncrieff>
References: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net>
 <20030424090509.GC1113@cartman.flooble.net.au>
 <20030424171814.A14534@shugg.net>  <1051178103.9293.7.camel@moncrieff>
Message-ID: <1051181543.10870.15.camel@moncrieff>

PS. Like the new listmail footer.

And the Lorem Ipsum on the web page, put there especially to make me
happy... mmmm.... corrupted Cicero..... :-)

Hmmm... looking back there's no real point to this e-mail at all, is
there?  Still won't stop me posting, though.  Can anyone tell I have a
major assignment to do? :-)

- Karl the Procrastinator[0]

[0] And for all the Terry Prachett readers: no, I don't spin on my axis
and store time.  Except when I'm REALLY bored.





From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Thu Apr 24 19:01:46 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Apr 24 19:01:46 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD0213713A@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>; from TobyO@screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au on Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 02:48:33PM +0800
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD0213713A@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20030424185013.D14534@shugg.net>

Quoth Toby:
> Ah Andrew, you rock. :-)
> 
> T.

Tobias, you've gone and mixed up your adjectives again.  I think you
got "suck" confused with "rock".  =)

Meanwhile, the very-crap-webpage has been updated extensively, taking on
board all Karl's suggestions as well as a few other things I thought of.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sun Apr 27 10:30:39 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Anthony Jones)
Date: Sun Apr 27 10:30:39 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <20030424184721.C14534@shugg.net>
References: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net> <1051178103.9293.7.camel@moncrieff> <20030424184721.C14534@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030427022918.77A951C177@escher.takahe.net>

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On Thursday 24 April 2003 18:47, you wrote:
> Quoth Karl:
> > You missed much - some people have been practicing, dammit!  I'm sure it
> > would have given you much amusement to see how thoroughly I was hammered
> > on the InstaGib / fractal arena rounds....
>
> I'd've liked to've been there, but I wasn't, and I truly regret it.

I got there just in time to see the last person leave. I had guessed that it 
wasn't going to run as late as Pete's but it took a long time to get myself 
sorted out.

Anthony
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From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Sun Apr 27 12:30:43 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (WEZ!)
Date: Sun Apr 27 12:30:43 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <20030427022918.77A951C177@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net>
 <1051178103.9293.7.camel@moncrieff> <20030424184721.C14534@shugg.net>
 <20030427022918.77A951C177@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <p05010400bad10c6fa9b6@[192.168.1.249]>

Just got back in from another field trip and still rather unorganised.

Shugg having all the Files on a ftp server sounds great to me :)

Yeah had a few people rock up late which was ashame but no mind.

and yeah we can try to host one again later :)

have a good one all

WEZ!

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Mon Apr 28 19:20:28 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Anthony Jones)
Date: Mon Apr 28 19:20:28 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Matrix Reloaded
Message-ID: <20030428111523.681EC1C177@escher.takahe.net>

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I was just looking at the movie times in Innaloo and I noticed this:

MATRIX RELOADED [Rating TBA]  140  Mins
Thu 15 May
Senstadium  NO FREE TICKETS 11:59pm, 11:59pm
Fri 16 May NO FREE TICKETS 11:30am, 2:20pm, 5:10pm, 8:15pm

http://www.greaterunion.com.au/sessiontime/cinemaallsessions_24.htm

Is anyone keen on going to a late night movie in a couple of weeks?

Anthony
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From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Tue Apr 29 14:57:12 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Apr 29 14:57:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Matrix Reloaded
In-Reply-To: <20030428111523.681EC1C177@escher.takahe.net>; from ajones@clear.net.nz on Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 07:15:17PM +0800
References: <20030428111523.681EC1C177@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030429144018.I14534@shugg.net>

Quoth Anthony:
> I was just looking at the movie times in Innaloo and I noticed this:
> 
> MATRIX RELOADED [Rating TBA]  140  Mins
> Thu 15 May
> Senstadium  NO FREE TICKETS 11:59pm, 11:59pm
> Fri 16 May NO FREE TICKETS 11:30am, 2:20pm, 5:10pm, 8:15pm
> 
> http://www.greaterunion.com.au/sessiontime/cinemaallsessions_24.htm
> 
> Is anyone keen on going to a late night movie in a couple of weeks?
> 
> Anthony

Clan Bone already have a booking to see it at La Premiere.  =)

Looking at that page though, what is really cool is that Greater Union
Innaloo are screening The Matrix at 9pm on May 15, then The Matrix
Reloaded at 11.59pm on May 15.  That's a lot of Matrix.  And though I
can't do it, I think I'd love to.  Even though I'd have a hell of a
headache afterwards!  =)

Do other people have plans yet?  Considering how many times I went to
see the first one at the cinema(s) I am sure I can be talked into going
to see this one more than once as well ...

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Tue Apr 29 15:21:37 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Apr 29 15:21:37 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <p05010400bad10c6fa9b6@[192.168.1.249]>; from wez@raez.net on Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 12:28:16PM +0800
References: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net> <1051178103.9293.7.camel@moncrieff> <20030424184721.C14534@shugg.net> <20030427022918.77A951C177@escher.takahe.net> <p05010400bad10c6fa9b6@[192.168.1.249]>
Message-ID: <20030429145139.J14534@shugg.net>

Quoth Wesley:
> Shugg having all the Files on a ftp server sounds great to me :)

I'm not going to put all the files on my server; it doesn't have enough
room for that.  =)

I will, however, be trying to link to local copies of the latest
patches, updates, mods, etc to download.  Then when you turn up at a LAN
party, if you don't have fast Internet access there will be someone
there who does, and will have downloaded all the necessary stuff before
turning up.  Then the hoo-ha of getting everyone set up before playing
will hopefully be kept to a minimum ...

> Yeah had a few people rock up late which was ashame but no mind.
> 
> and yeah we can try to host one again later :)

Look forward to it!  I sorely need to play more Urban Terror.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Tue Apr 29 15:56:24 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Anthony Jones)
Date: Tue Apr 29 15:56:24 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Very crap LAN party web page now up
In-Reply-To: <20030429145139.J14534@shugg.net>
References: <20030424142916.B11411@shugg.net> <p05010400bad10c6fa9b6@[192.168.1.249]> <20030429145139.J14534@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030429075038.80CB21C177@escher.takahe.net>

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On Tuesday 29 April 2003 14:51, you wrote:
> Quoth Wesley:
> > Shugg having all the Files on a ftp server sounds great to me :)
>
> I'm not going to put all the files on my server; it doesn't have enough
> room for that.  =)

I've got some room on my machine if it is needed. I can spare a few gigs 
anyway. I've got an ADSL connection and as long as everyone downloads via 
WAIX then I won't get charged for traffic. My transmit speed is only 64K 
though.

Anthony
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From shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net  Wed Apr 30 10:16:05 2003
From: shuggnet-lanparty at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Apr 30 10:16:05 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Folding tables from OfficeWorks
Message-ID: <20030430100745.Q14534@shugg.net>

Hi all,

I was "just looking" at an OfficeWorks catalogue that arrived yesterday,
and saw they have a medium-sized folding table for $89 ($20 off).  It's
1.8m wide and about 0.75m deep and high, and boasts a "sturdy tubular
steel frame construction".

If anyone is thinking of investing in a folding table for LAN party
activities, this sort of thing would be just the ticket.  =)

Someone else might have something better at the same price or cheaper, I
don't know, but if anyone wants to check them out the code is OW65306.
You can put that in the search box on www.officeworks.com.au and it will
bring up the page for the item.

They're also selling MS Office keyboards for $49.95, which they claim is
half price (save $50).  Of course this now makes the keyboard only $10
cheaper than at Austin.  ;)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)

From andrew at shugg.net  Sat May 10 15:51:26 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sat May 10 15:56:54 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Cheap cat5 network cables
Message-ID: <20030510155124.D28465@shugg.net>

Hi all,

Of potential interest to some of you: I picked up Jaycar's May sale
flyer today and they've got a big load of cheap non-home-made CAT-5
network cables.  Bags of two 3m cables are $8.95 and two 5m cables is
$12.50 - both of which are quite good lengths for our LAN party needs.
Or for those who bring their own hub/switch, a bag of 5 1m cables is
$11.95.  Probably not as cheap as making them yourself (given that 1000
feet of CAT-5e is around $110) but certainly a whole sight easier.

Jaycar are on Newcastle St in Northbridge (near Tran's Emporium) on the
north side of the road, so on your left if you are coming from Charles
Street towards William.

Brought to you by your potential-bargain-spotting watchdog.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed May 21 21:59:12 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed May 21 22:01:55 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
Message-ID: <20030521215909.A1628@shugg.net>

C'mon, help me out here.  I have a burning need to shoot at Pete.

Those of us involved with PUCS are fairly busy, I know: we've got a
concert this coming Saturday (8pm in Winthrop Hall at UWA, if you're not
in the choir then by rights you should be in the audience!) but after
that I'm hoping we'll have a bit of time to organise a LAN party.

Expressions of interest?  Volunteering of houses?  Anyone?  Please?  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Thu May 22 09:51:10 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Thu May 22 09:53:18 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
In-Reply-To: <20030521215909.A1628@shugg.net>
References: <20030521215909.A1628@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030522015113.7EBE21C360@escher.takahe.net>

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On Wednesday 21 May 2003 21:59, you wrote:
> C'mon, help me out here.  I have a burning need to shoot at Pete.
>
> Those of us involved with PUCS are fairly busy, I know: we've got a
> concert this coming Saturday (8pm in Winthrop Hall at UWA, if you're not
> in the choir then by rights you should be in the audience!) but after
> that I'm hoping we'll have a bit of time to organise a LAN party.

How much does it cost and where does one get tickets?

> Expressions of interest?  Volunteering of houses?  Anyone?  Please?  =)

I'd be happy to hold a LAN party in a week or two. Perhaps the 7th of June if 
no-one is busy. There's no point in having it before then because I've 
downloaded my 2GB for the month. I'm relatively under equipped though. I've 
got the following equipment.

Two tables which would fit two machines each.
One table which fits one machine (I'll kick off the crusty old machine)
Five chairs.
A machine, a table and a chair for me.

350 Mhz K6 - Internet gateway with an 256/64 ADSL connection and DHCP server. 
This machine has three network cards, one for ADSL, one 10 M bit connection 
and one 100 M bit connection. I'll see if I can squeeze another network card 
into it.

I have one 20 meter and one 5 meter crossover cable and a couple of short 
patch cables.

Andrew - I've created an account for you on my machine if you want me to host 
any files for the LAN party. Details in another email.

I live in Wembley Downs which is between Osbourne Park and the ocean.

Anthony
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From cameronrm at iprimus.com.au  Thu May 22 11:29:03 2003
From: cameronrm at iprimus.com.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Thu May 22 11:30:45 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
In-Reply-To: <20030521215909.A1628@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <88FE6B44-8C05-11D7-8CBB-000393564E88@iprimus.com.au>

On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 09:59 PM, Andrew Shugg cried:

> C'mon, help me out here.  I have a burning need to shoot at Pete.
> <snip>

I'll second the need for a good fragging. Matt has also expressed an 
interest in coming to a lan.

Good luck on Saturday
Cam
--
"The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be 
a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the 
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

From algernon at aloku.net  Thu May 22 13:38:38 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu May 22 13:40:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
In-Reply-To: <20030522015113.7EBE21C360@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030521215909.A1628@shugg.net>
	<20030522015113.7EBE21C360@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <200305221338.38659.algernon@aloku.net>

On Thu, 22 May 2003 09:51, Anthony Jones espoused:
> I'd be happy to hold a LAN party in a week or two. Perhaps the 7th of June
> if no-one is busy. There's no point in having it before then because I've
> downloaded my 2GB for the month. I'm relatively under equipped though. I've
> got the following equipment.

<snip paucity of equipment>

Well, if you hold it a week later - on the 14th June - I will attend.  I will 
assist by bringing:

- A table, chair and machine for myself;
- A spare machine (and possibly even a spare chair);
- A 16-port 100mbps switch;
- A 4-port dual-speed hub;
- Numerous patch and crossover cables in varying lengths up to 20 metres;
- Spare power extension cords and powerboards;
- An FTP server with a lot of stuff (including maps/mods/patches etc for all 
the usual stuff we play).

(Basically when going to a LANparty I work on the assumption that virtually 
nothing is provided.  It's an assumption that has often come in very handy).  
And I'm ususally one of the first, if not THE first, at every lanparty I've 
attended so far, so you'll have help setting up....

But I can't make the 7th, so if you hold it then you'll have to do without me 
(which I'm sure you'll enjoy, but then you'll also miss out on all the stuff 
I'd otherwise bring).


Or, as Joc just put it:

*Nudge, nudge* Don't hold it on the seventh *nudge, nudge*.


- Karl

From crispin at internode.on.net  Thu May 22 14:27:39 2003
From: crispin at internode.on.net (Crispin Harris)
Date: Thu May 22 13:54:37 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
Message-ID: <3ecc58c3.8c3a.0@internode.on.net>

I have an 8-port 10mb HUB lying about if anyone wants it for this sort of stuff...
:-). 

Happily donate it as part of "travelling LAN-party kit", if this is of interest.
(i.e. I will donate it to the continuing lan party, but not to an individual
unless they can give me a good reason ;-)

Cheers,
     Crispin
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu May 22 13:56:25 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu May 22 14:03:48 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
In-Reply-To: <200305221338.38659.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Thu, May 22, 2003 at 01:38:38PM +0800
References: <20030521215909.A1628@shugg.net>
	<20030522015113.7EBE21C360@escher.takahe.net>
	<200305221338.38659.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030522135623.C4394@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> Or, as Joc just put it:
> 
> *Nudge, nudge* Don't hold it on the seventh *nudge, nudge*.

Why, what's so special about the 7th?  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From cameronrm at iprimus.com.au  Sat May 24 12:17:52 2003
From: cameronrm at iprimus.com.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Sat May 24 12:19:26 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
In-Reply-To: <20030522135623.C4394@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <AFAE7090-8D9E-11D7-A5B3-000393564E88@iprimus.com.au>

> Quoth Karl:
>> Or, as Joc just put it:
>> *Nudge, nudge* Don't hold it on the seventh *nudge, nudge*.\
> Why, what's so special about the 7th?  =)
> Andrew.

So have we decided when and where?
Cam
--
Recorded in the digital domain by an analog brain.

From ajones at clear.net.nz  Sun May 25 12:07:47 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Sun May 25 12:09:29 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
In-Reply-To: <AFAE7090-8D9E-11D7-A5B3-000393564E88@iprimus.com.au>
References: <AFAE7090-8D9E-11D7-A5B3-000393564E88@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030525040750.DDE6B1C364@escher.takahe.net>

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On Saturday 24 May 2003 12:17, you wrote:
> > Quoth Karl:
> >> Or, as Joc just put it:
> >> *Nudge, nudge* Don't hold it on the seventh *nudge, nudge*.\
> >
> > Why, what's so special about the 7th?  =)
> > Andrew.
>
> So have we decided when and where?
> Cam

Umm.. how about we make it my place on the 14th. That means that Karl will 
turn up - as he appears to be one of the regulars (I think he's killed me 
every time I've turned up to a LAN party).

My address is:

46 Stockdale Crescent
Wembley Downs 6019
Ph 9445-2278.

Turn up any time after 11:00am ish.

Anthony
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From andrew at shugg.net  Wed May 28 22:09:36 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed May 28 22:27:54 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Useful Windows gamer's tool: Fraps
Message-ID: <20030528220933.E367@shugg.net>

I was thinking "useful tool" so the Subject originally said "usefool" ...
if only my fingers could go as fast as my brain.  =P

I've found a thing called Fraps that looks pretty nifty.

  http://www.fraps.com/

To steal from the author's own description of the program:

  Fraps is a free utility for DirectX and OpenGL games.  It can best be
  described as: 

  *  benchmarking software - see framerates on screen and log them to
     file.  Calculate the average framerate between any two points.
  *  screen capture software - take screenshots at the press of a button
     with files automatically named and timestamped.
  *  movie maker software - realtime recording of your gameplay to high
     quality AVI video files.

Record to AVI files!  Ooh.  Sounds like fun.

I know most 3D games have some means of displaying the frame rate, but
this thing hooks into the screen-drawing routines in Windows and gives
you a consistent (and possibly more accurate) reading.

Having a single thing to do screenshots in all your different games
sounds pretty nifty too.

Anyone out there with Windows?  Download this thing and try it out.  Let
me know if you like it, because I can't enjoy it myself.  Thanks.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed May 28 22:30:06 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed May 28 22:33:10 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
In-Reply-To: <20030525040750.DDE6B1C364@escher.takahe.net>;
	from ajones@clear.net.nz on Sun, May 25, 2003 at 12:07:47PM +0800
References: <AFAE7090-8D9E-11D7-A5B3-000393564E88@iprimus.com.au>
	<20030525040750.DDE6B1C364@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030528223003.A5257@shugg.net>

Quoth Anthony:
> Umm.. how about we make it my place on the 14th. That means that Karl will 
> turn up - as he appears to be one of the regulars (I think he's killed me 
> every time I've turned up to a LAN party).
> 
> My address is:
> 
> 46 Stockdale Crescent
> Wembley Downs 6019
> Ph 9445-2278.
> 
> Turn up any time after 11:00am ish.
> 
> Anthony

Thanks Anthony, that's really generous!  Great.  Now we've got a date.
Who's in?  Hmm, same day as WASO auditions for Beethoven's 9th.  Never
mind, I'm sure we can fit everything in.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Thu May 29 07:47:19 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Thu May 29 07:51:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
In-Reply-To: <20030528223003.A5257@shugg.net>
References: <AFAE7090-8D9E-11D7-A5B3-000393564E88@iprimus.com.au>
	<20030525040750.DDE6B1C364@escher.takahe.net> <20030528223003.A5257@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030528234726.4BD411C362@escher.takahe.net>

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On Wednesday 28 May 2003 22:30, you wrote:
> Quoth Anthony:
> > Umm.. how about we make it my place on the 14th. That means that Karl
> > will turn up - as he appears to be one of the regulars (I think he's
> > killed me every time I've turned up to a LAN party).
> >
> > My address is:
> >
> > 46 Stockdale Crescent
> > Wembley Downs 6019
> > Ph 9445-2278.
> >
> > Turn up any time after 11:00am ish.
> >
> > Anthony
>
> Thanks Anthony, that's really generous!  Great.  Now we've got a date.
> Who's in?  Hmm, same day as WASO auditions for Beethoven's 9th.  Never
> mind, I'm sure we can fit everything in.  =)

An indication of numbers would be good to identify the need for resources 
such as tables, chairs and hubs.

BTW - I have a gas BBQ and plenty of refrigeration so feel free to bring 
along dinner if you like.

Anthony
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From algernon at aloku.net  Thu May 29 08:45:51 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu May 29 08:48:29 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
In-Reply-To: <20030528234726.4BD411C362@escher.takahe.net>
References: <AFAE7090-8D9E-11D7-A5B3-000393564E88@iprimus.com.au>
	<20030528223003.A5257@shugg.net> <20030528234726.4BD411C362@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <200305290845.51465.algernon@aloku.net>

On Thu, 29 May 2003 07:47, Anthony Jones espoused:
> An indication of numbers would be good to identify the need for resources
> such as tables, chairs and hubs.

Well, count me in (as promised).  I'll (probably) BYO table + chair (I'll get 
back to you if I can't), as well as the aforementioned switch, hub and 
blue/orangey-pinkey string (refer to my previous e-mail for more details).  

I'm sure that switches/hubs won't be much of a problem, especially if you can 
get Pete to come and bring his shiny new switch as well.  Tables and chairs 
might be a bit different, though....

- Karl

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu May 29 16:09:32 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu May 29 16:13:18 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Urgent: LAN party needed
In-Reply-To: <200305290845.51465.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <AFAE7090-8D9E-11D7-A5B3-000393564E88@iprimus.com.au>
	<20030528223003.A5257@shugg.net> <20030528234726.4BD411C362@escher.takahe.net>
	<200305290845.51465.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030529080932.GH13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 29/05 08:45:51, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> On Thu, 29 May 2003 07:47, Anthony Jones espoused:
> > An indication of numbers would be good to identify the need for
> > resources such as tables, chairs and hubs.
> 
> Well, count me in (as promised).

Count me in too, woohoo. June 14, Wembley Downs. *evil cackle*

Besides, Andrew needs to be taught a few lessons. If he can get there
early enough :), I can warm myself up by giving him a good deathmatch
thrashing or three.

[ snip ]
> I'm sure that switches/hubs won't be much of a problem, especially
> if you can get Pete to come and bring his shiny new switch as well.
> Tables and chairs might be a bit different, though....

I'll bring my switch and a hub or two and some spare blue string. I
highly doubt I'll be able to bring any chairs, but I'll bring my card
table (and my 15" monitor, as that's the only monitor light enough sit
on said table).

I'll make the effort to bring along a spare machine/monitor if someone
is coming that'll use it (Andrew?).... ah, but there usually is.
Anyway, if there isn't, spare machine can just be a server. ;)


With a bit of luck, Enemy Territory (http://www.enemy-territory.com/)
will be released by then, so we can have a nice new (free!)
multiplayer game to play with. Although Wolf Tactics
(http://www.wolftactics.com/ - a "Team Fortress" style mod for Return
to Castle Wolfenstein) has been out for a bit, that might also be
worth a try[0]. And our old favourite Q3F (http://www.q3f.com/) is due
for a new release (with several new maps) "soon"... though that _was_
almost two months ago.... ;-)

*pause* Holy shit, Enemy Territory _has_ been released. Hmm, 258 meg
download.... hrmmm.... I think I'll wait until someone mirrors it on
WAIX, then get Craig to download it and slurp it off him ;-)

http://www.3dgamers.com/games/wolfensteinet/

...for those who can't be stuffed waiting till someone mirrors it on
WAIX :).

> - Karl

Bwa ha ha.

Pete, wombling off to do a bit of Q3A DM17 practise.

[0] I've been doing a bit of RTCW stuff recently. Finished the
single-player game just a couple of days ago - I don't know why I
hadn't done it before. It really is a very cool game. The big bad end
guy (Heinrich) is scary. Eeeek.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
I let it slide for now since, while they're certainly cretins, they're
cretins I can use for my own purposes.  In other words, when given
cretins, make cretinade.
	-- Richard Johnson on news.admin.net-abuse.email
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu May 29 16:14:35 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu May 29 16:18:04 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
Message-ID: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>


Enemy Territory (Linux/Windows) is available on WAIX.

ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/WolfET.exe
ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run

About a 260 meg download.

Pete, cackling evilly.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Klingon programmer sayings:
4. "I have challenged the entire quality assurance team to a
Bat-Leth contest. (pause) They will not concern us again." 
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Thu May 29 17:28:37 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Thu May 29 17:29:43 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030529092841.0A8D01C362@escher.takahe.net>

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On Thursday 29 May 2003 16:14, you wrote:
> Enemy Territory (Linux/Windows) is available on WAIX.
>
> ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/WolfET.exe
> ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run

I've never had much luck with the mirror.3fl.net - it's not just my machine 
because I tried it from my brothers in NZ. I will attempt to download these 
files over night from the US instead.

Anthony
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From ajones at clear.net.nz  Fri May 30 11:02:19 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Fri May 30 11:05:13 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030529092841.0A8D01C362@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030529092841.0A8D01C362@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030530030223.ACC761C360@escher.takahe.net>

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On Thursday 29 May 2003 17:28, you wrote:
> On Thursday 29 May 2003 16:14, you wrote:
> > Enemy Territory (Linux/Windows) is available on WAIX.
> >
> > ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/WolfET.exe
> > ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run
>
> I've never had much luck with the mirror.3fl.net - it's not just my machine
> because I tried it from my brothers in NZ. I will attempt to download these
> files over night from the US instead.
>
> Anthony

I've download the Windoze version over night and hopefully I'll get the Linux 
version tonight. I had a lot of trouble with the servers but I should be able 
to get the Linux version tonight.

Anthony
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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri May 30 12:37:25 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri May 30 12:39:56 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030530030223.ACC761C360@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030529092841.0A8D01C362@escher.takahe.net>
	<20030530030223.ACC761C360@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030530043725.GL13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 30/05 11:02:19, Anthony Jones wrote:
> On Thursday 29 May 2003 17:28, you wrote:
> > On Thursday 29 May 2003 16:14, you wrote:
> > > Enemy Territory (Linux/Windows) is available on WAIX.
> > >
> > > ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/WolfET.exe
> > > ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run
[ snip ]
> I've download the Windoze version over night and hopefully I'll get
> the Linux version tonight. I had a lot of trouble with the servers
> but I should be able to get the Linux version tonight.

I just discovered that the people behind Enemy Territory are the same
people behind Quake 3 Fortress.

So maybe now that they've finished with ET, they'll get off their lazy
arses and finish up Q3F 2.3.... *grin*

> Anthony

Oh, and Wolf Tactics now has a Mac port... so you Mac chaps with a
copy of RTCW can try it now! http://www.wolftactics.com/

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
THEOREM: VI is perfect.
PROOF: VI in roman numerals is 6.  The natural numbers < 6 which divide 6 are
1, 2, and 3. 1+2+3 = 6.  So 6 is a perfect number.  Therefore, VI is perfect.
QED	-- Arthur Tateishi
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jun  4 04:50:50 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jun  5 10:25:08 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030529092841.0A8D01C362@escher.takahe.net>;
	from ajones@clear.net.nz on Thu, May 29, 2003 at 05:28:37PM +0800
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030529092841.0A8D01C362@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030604045048.A870@shugg.net>

Quoth Anthony:
> I've never had much luck with the mirror.3fl.net - it's not just my machine 
> because I tried it from my brothers in NZ. I will attempt to download these 
> files over night from the US instead.

What sort of problems have you been encountering with them Anthony?

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jun  4 04:56:19 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jun  5 10:30:00 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] List stuff
Message-ID: <20030604045618.B870@shugg.net>

... and in today's list news, we welcome back Cameron MacFarland, who
has rejoined with yet another email address.  It seems he likes to move
around.  =)

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind people that if they have any
suggestions for content to go on our LAN party web page, or are having
problems with the mailing list (why would you want to leave???), then
please contact me.  If not, just get back to whatever you were doing and
we'll see you all on the 14th at Anthony's place.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jun  4 04:59:10 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jun  5 10:33:37 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Thu, May 29, 2003 at 04:14:35PM +0800
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030604045907.C870@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> Enemy Territory (Linux/Windows) is available on WAIX.
> 
> ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/WolfET.exe
> ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run
> 
> About a 260 meg download.
> 
> Pete, cackling evilly.

*sighs, and pats old computer on the head*

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Thu Jun  5 10:36:26 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Thu Jun  5 10:37:31 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030604045048.A870@shugg.net>
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030529092841.0A8D01C362@escher.takahe.net> <20030604045048.A870@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030605023629.037E71C1B1@escher.takahe.net>

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On Wednesday 04 June 2003 04:50, you wrote:
> Quoth Anthony:
> > I've never had much luck with the mirror.3fl.net - it's not just my
> > machine because I tried it from my brothers in NZ. I will attempt to
> > download these files over night from the US instead.
>
> What sort of problems have you been encountering with them Anthony?
>
> Andrew.

It just plain never seems to respond to http or ftp request.

- From Wellington, NZ - ISP is TelstraClear

[tj@tui tj]$ wget ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run
- --14:31:55--  ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run
           => `et-linux-2.55.x86.run'
Resolving mirror.3fl.net... done.
Connecting to mirror.3fl.net[172.22.130.18]:21... failed: No route to host.
Retrying.

- --14:32:01--  ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run
  (try: 2) => `et-linux-2.55.x86.run'
Connecting to mirror.3fl.net[172.22.130.18]:21... failed: No route to host.
Retrying.

- --14:32:06--  ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run
  (try: 3) => `et-linux-2.55.x86.run'
Connecting to mirror.3fl.net[172.22.130.18]:21... failed: No route to host.
Retrying.

- From Perth, Australia - ISP is WestNet

tj@cezanne:~$ wget 
ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run
- --10:31:22--  ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/rtcw/ET/et-linux-2.55.x86.run
           => `et-linux-2.55.x86.run'
Resolving mirror.3fl.net... done.
Connecting to mirror.3fl.net[172.22.130.18]:21... 
[zzzz....]

It will respond to pings from Australia but not New Zealand. It won't respond 
to http for ftp requests from here in Australia.

TJ

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From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jun  4 05:22:27 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jun  5 10:57:10 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030605023629.037E71C1B1@escher.takahe.net>;
	from ajones@clear.net.nz on Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 10:36:26AM +0800
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030529092841.0A8D01C362@escher.takahe.net> <20030604045048.A870@shugg.net>
	<20030605023629.037E71C1B1@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030604052224.D870@shugg.net>

Quoth Anthony:
> On Wednesday 04 June 2003 04:50, you wrote:
> > What sort of problems have you been encountering with them Anthony?
> >
> > Andrew.
> 
> It just plain never seems to respond to http or ftp request.
> 
> It will respond to pings from Australia but not New Zealand. It won't respond 
> to http for ftp requests from here in Australia.
> 
> TJ

Ah.  That'd be due to mirror.3fl.net being on a 'private' address, which
should not be routeable outside of WAIX.  It arguably shouldn't be
routeable within WAIX either, but we appear to be stuck with that.

So while you won't be able to get to it from NZ, you _should_ be able to
get to it from your WAIX-connected ADSL system: unless you are, for some
reason, routing your traffic via a gateway outside of WAIX first (which
I don't expect you to be doing), or if your ADSL-connected system is
using a packet filtering system like netfilter/iptables and is blocking
stuff to/from 'private' address space (10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12,
192.168.0.0/16) as an anti-spoofing measure.  In the latter case you can
just allow the 172.16.0.0/12 stuff to go through and it should all work.
Pain in the bum though, if you're wanting to do things "properly".

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Thu Jun  5 11:19:28 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Jun  5 11:20:28 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] List stuff
In-Reply-To: <20030604045618.B870@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <000001c32b11$45fec9f0$3200a8c0@accountant1>

Mr. Bone wrote:
> ... and in today's list news, we welcome back Cameron 
> MacFarland, who has rejoined with yet another email address.  
> It seems he likes to move around.  =)

Well, some people just have trouble with commitment :)

> I'd like to take this opportunity to remind people that if 
> they have any suggestions for content to go on our LAN party 
> web page, or are having problems with the mailing list (why 
> would you want to leave???), then please contact me.  If not, 
> just get back to whatever you were doing and we'll see you 
> all on the 14th at Anthony's place.  =)

Well, for starters, why not mention the 14th on the webpage?  Possibly
with Anthony's address?  Just a wild, crazy idea....


- Karl the Telstra-fearer


From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Jun  5 16:06:30 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Jun  5 16:07:57 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Fun things to do at a lan party
Message-ID: <20030605080629.GI8441@cartman.flooble.net.au>


> Fun things to do at a lan party. (Score:3, Funny)
> by cyt0plas (629631) <cyt0plas@NospaM.corecodec.org> on 05:40 AM June
> 5th, 2003 (#6119029)
> Fun "alternative" things to do at a lan party.
> 
> 1) License pool. Have everyone bet on what percentage of the
> games/operating system is licensed. Then check. Hint: it's usually
> best to guess low. Especially where microsoft is concerned :)
> 
> 2) "My other system". Go around, and have each person tell about
> their "other system", that's taken apart/broken/being upgraded/too
> big to bring. "My other system has a 1TB raid 0 array - 2 4x100GB
> arrays, and a 2x100, all Software raided into a 1TB array. I'd bring
> it, but it's too big, what with it's 3 power supplies and all...".
> 
> 3) Hammer Time - Take a hammer, and a despised/useless item (AOL
> cds), and have fun. First one to lose an eye wins.
> 
> 4) Burn In - Everyone overclocks their systems as fast as they can
> stably do so, then removes their fans. Last PC to catch fire wins.
> It's kind of like russian roulette.

http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=66512&cid=6119029

:-)

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament],
'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will
the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the
kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
		-- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Thu Jun  5 21:17:29 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Thu Jun  5 21:19:44 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030604052224.D870@shugg.net>
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030605023629.037E71C1B1@escher.takahe.net> <20030604052224.D870@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030605131732.91BA91C1B1@escher.takahe.net>

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On Wednesday 04 June 2003 05:22, you wrote:
> Ah.  That'd be due to mirror.3fl.net being on a 'private' address, which
> should not be routeable outside of WAIX.  It arguably shouldn't be
> routeable within WAIX either, but we appear to be stuck with that.
>
> So while you won't be able to get to it from NZ, you _should_ be able to
> get to it from your WAIX-connected ADSL system: unless you are, for some
> reason, routing your traffic via a gateway outside of WAIX first (which
> I don't expect you to be doing), or if your ADSL-connected system is
> using a packet filtering system like netfilter/iptables and is blocking
> stuff to/from 'private' address space (10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12,
> 192.168.0.0/16) as an anti-spoofing measure.  In the latter case you can
> just allow the 172.16.0.0/12 stuff to go through and it should all work.
> Pain in the bum though, if you're wanting to do things "properly".
>
> Andrew.

Blimey! I thought something weird was going on. I guess I've just gotta 
reconfigure my firewall. You would think they would clearly document this 
kind of crazy carry on.

TJ
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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Jun  6 00:53:25 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Jun  6 00:55:18 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030605131732.91BA91C1B1@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030605023629.037E71C1B1@escher.takahe.net> <20030604052224.D870@shugg.net>
	<20030605131732.91BA91C1B1@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030605165325.GK8441@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 05/06 21:17:29, Anthony Jones wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 June 2003 05:22, you wrote:
> > Ah.  That'd be due to mirror.3fl.net being on a 'private' address,
> > which should not be routeable outside of WAIX.
[ snip ]
> > In the latter case you can just allow the 172.16.0.0/12 stuff to
> > go through and it should all work.  Pain in the bum though, if
> > you're wanting to do things "properly".
> 
> Blimey! I thought something weird was going on. I guess I've just
> gotta reconfigure my firewall. You would think they would clearly
> document this kind of crazy carry on.

It is a bit strange, I must admit. I didn't even realise it was doing
this kind of weird shit - I'm not as familiar with the "other" private
networks (ie. aside from the 192.168.*.* zone), otherwise I should
have realised.

Thanks for the explanation, Andrew. Good to find out these kind of
things _before_ you have the opportunity to go insane as Anthony has :).

> TJ

Well, I've backed up just about everything on chef that I can think of
as worth backing up... and now I'm in the process of building myself a
shiny new Linux system to replace the messy old quasi-Debian system
chef was running.

I was _very_ tempted to try out Gentoo, and almost did - but ended up
deciding that linuxfromscratch was too much fun. Besides, installing
Gentoo would be too quick and easy *grin*.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
I love the evolutionary biologists' way of talking about organisms as
if they're evolving on purpose: "I think I'll develop feathers now and
become a bird...", though in Perl's case, of course, there is some
amount of purpose in my head (some would say "not enough"), not to
mention the heads of other Perl developers (some would say "too much"
(or is it the other way around?)), but it's still great fun to talk
about Perl as if it were its own beastie, or as if it were a character
in a novel that runs away with the plot despite the intentions of the
author, kinda like this sentence has. -- Larry Wall on Perl evolution.
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Fri Jun  6 17:52:38 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Fri Jun  6 17:55:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030605165325.GK8441@cartman.flooble.net.au>
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030605131732.91BA91C1B1@escher.takahe.net>
	<20030605165325.GK8441@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030606095259.3EFFA1C1FB@escher.takahe.net>

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On Friday 06 June 2003 00:53, you wrote:
> Well, I've backed up just about everything on chef that I can think of
> as worth backing up... and now I'm in the process of building myself a
> shiny new Linux system to replace the messy old quasi-Debian system
> chef was running.
>
> I was _very_ tempted to try out Gentoo, and almost did - but ended up
> deciding that linuxfromscratch was too much fun. Besides, installing
> Gentoo would be too quick and easy *grin*.

I want give Gentoo a try but I just haven't had a chance to do it. I should 
just try installing it with under vmware so I don't need a whole new machine 
to try it. I even downloaded a CD image before christmas but I only had one 
machine and no printer so it was too hard to read the instructions off the 
net at the same time as installing the machine.

Anthony
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From algernon at aloku.net  Fri Jun  6 23:56:08 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Fri Jun  6 23:59:13 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Enemy Territory
In-Reply-To: <20030606095259.3EFFA1C1FB@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030529081435.GJ13467@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030605165325.GK8441@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030606095259.3EFFA1C1FB@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <200306062356.08327.algernon@aloku.net>

On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:52, Anthony Jones wrote:
> I want give Gentoo a try but I just haven't had a chance to do it. I should
> just try installing it with under vmware so I don't need a whole new
> machine to try it. I even downloaded a CD image before christmas but I only
> had one machine and no printer so it was too hard to read the instructions
> off the net at the same time as installing the machine.

Well, if you're at the LAN (which I presume you will be, considering the 
location :P ), I can provide a printout of the instructions that I don't need 
anymore.  Plus I have a complete Gentoo portage + distfiles mirror on my 
machine you can mirror.  It's SOOO much nicer to do the initial setup when 
you have a LAN mirror.

Gentoo is good.  IMHO it leaves Debian in the dust (to the extent that only my 
server runs Debian anymore, and it'll be switching over in the next few weeks 
when I have time).   I'll spare the list the details for now....  suffice it 
to say that q3 and ut run much better now I've switched to Gentoo.  And 
that's what counts, right?  :)

- Karl

From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Jun  9 22:54:27 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Jun  9 22:55:49 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] List stuff
In-Reply-To: <000001c32b11$45fec9f0$3200a8c0@accountant1>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 11:19:28AM +0800
References: <20030604045618.B870@shugg.net>
	<000001c32b11$45fec9f0$3200a8c0@accountant1>
Message-ID: <20030609225423.A20756@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> Well, for starters, why not mention the 14th on the webpage?  Possibly
> with Anthony's address?  Just a wild, crazy idea....

Getting there.  Maybe tomorrow.  =)

> - Karl the Telstra-fearer

...?

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Mon Jun  9 23:34:23 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Mon Jun  9 23:35:29 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] List stuff
In-Reply-To: <20030609225423.A20756@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <D8C762D1-9A8F-11D7-9E5B-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

On June 9, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Karl:
>> Well, for starters, why not mention the 14th on the webpage?  Possibly
>> with Anthony's address?  Just a wild, crazy idea....
> Getting there.  Maybe tomorrow.  =)

Should definatly be done by the 15th? ;)

Cam.
--
"Women are not the weaker sex. Have you ever tried pulling a doona away 
from one at 3 in the morning?"

From algernon at aloku.net  Tue Jun 10 07:50:31 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Tue Jun 10 07:52:55 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] List stuff
In-Reply-To: <20030609225423.A20756@shugg.net>
References: <20030604045618.B870@shugg.net>
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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:54, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > - Karl the Telstra-fearer
>
> ...?

Applying for ADSL.  We are RIM victims.  Telstra have indicated that anyone 
who is rejected for ADSL due to 'incompatible infrastructure' (i.e. RIM) they 
will try to move to a full-copper line (so they can get ADSL) if there is 
spare copper in the street.  All this is rather subject to the vaguaries of 
Telstra.

I know there is spare copper in this street (I have done my research - and it 
was Bloody Difficult (tm) finding that out).  I just have to get the Great 
Demonic Telstra to hook us up to it.   Not sure what I have to ritually 
sacrifice to make the Great Demonic Telstra look favourably on my 
application.  (Apart from being on a RIM, we meet all the other criteria - 
yes, we are only 1.2km from the exchange, yes, the exchange is ADSL enabled).

The official response of "Application rejected - incompatible infrastructure" 
came back yesterday.  Will chase them up today (yesterday was a public 
holiday Over East) to find out which orifice they are talking from.  Then 
apply for ADSL through Bigpond (see http://www.whirlpool.net.au/ for stories 
about how Telstra rejects ADSL applications for third-party ADSL but then 
accepts applications on the same line for Bigpond ADSL).

And maybe find a couple of goats to sacrifice as well.  Or perhaps virgins.  
Then again, maybe I can find some virgin goats.


- Karl

From andrew at shugg.net  Tue Jun 10 11:44:46 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Jun 10 11:50:41 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] List stuff
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Quoth Cameron:
> On June 9, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > Quoth Karl:
> >> Well, for starters, why not mention the 14th on the webpage?  Possibly
> >> with Anthony's address?  Just a wild, crazy idea....
> > Getting there.  Maybe tomorrow.  =)
> 
> Should definatly be done by the 15th? ;)
> 
> Cam.

If not then, it should be done by the 24th.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Jun 12 21:58:36 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jun 12 23:27:39 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Web page updated
Message-ID: <20030612215833.A1582@shugg.net>

Okay, bit of an eleventh-hour thing (typical me), and all the more so
for actually being done at 11pm.  ;P

  http://shugg.net/lanparty/

Info about the coming LAN party on Saturday is up, plus some other
stuff.  What other stuff?  Well, go and look ...

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Jun 13 15:29:54 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Jun 13 15:30:56 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Soon Andrew will be toasted... heh heh heh....
Message-ID: <20030613072954.GC28677@cartman.flooble.net.au>


Hi all. Well well well, Friday the 13th. A nice ominous day to presage
a LAN party in which Pete fries you all, especially Andrew.

Well, I guess I'll try to not fry those on my team, but I can't make
any promises... :)


Just to remind everyone.... this one is tomorrow at the noble
Anthony's house - to quote from the man himself:

> 46 Stockdale Crescent
> Wembley Downs 6019
> Ph 9445-2278.
> 
> Turn up any time after 11:00am ish.

It should be a nice easy trip for me (for a change) - this time I'm
bringing two machines but only one SMALL monitor (small and light
enough that it can be supported by the card table which I'm also
bringing along). Andrew the Evil should be bringing his spare monitor
to use with one of my machines (note Andrew - you should probably
bring your preferred mouse+keyboard as well).

And in a groovy example of coincidence (and with much help from
neighbour Craig), I've finally managed to get the ex-Toby
GeForce4MX440 working - and it has taken up residence in the shiny new
chef. Which is a nice improvement from chef's old card, a good 'ol
TNT2Ultra.

Craig and I had to put it through some extensive testing last night on
Quake 3 Urban Terror. Looks very nice. Heh, I like sneaking up behind
people and shooting them in the head with my Magnum. Fun. :)


Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later.
		-- F. Brooks, "The Mythical Man-Month"
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Fri Jun 13 15:45:19 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Fri Jun 13 15:47:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Soon Andrew will be toasted... heh heh
	heh....
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On Friday 13 June 2003 15:29, you wrote:
> Hi all. Well well well, Friday the 13th. A nice ominous day to presage
> a LAN party in which Pete fries you all, especially Andrew.
>
> Well, I guess I'll try to not fry those on my team, but I can't make
> any promises... :)
>
>
> Just to remind everyone.... this one is tomorrow at the noble
>
> Anthony's house - to quote from the man himself:
> > 46 Stockdale Crescent
> > Wembley Downs 6019
> > Ph 9445-2278.
> >
> > Turn up any time after 11:00am ish.
>
> It should be a nice easy trip for me (for a change) - this time I'm
> bringing two machines but only one SMALL monitor (small and light
> enough that it can be supported by the card table which I'm also
> bringing along). Andrew the Evil should be bringing his spare monitor
> to use with one of my machines (note Andrew - you should probably
> bring your preferred mouse+keyboard as well).

I have a machine which is too gutless to play anything other than bugsquish. 
It has a monitor and mouse are otherwise unused (the keyboard has the 
old-school gigantic plug on it though).

> And in a groovy example of coincidence (and with much help from
> neighbour Craig), I've finally managed to get the ex-Toby
> GeForce4MX440 working - and it has taken up residence in the shiny new
> chef. Which is a nice improvement from chef's old card, a good 'ol
> TNT2Ultra.
>
> Craig and I had to put it through some extensive testing last night on
> Quake 3 Urban Terror. Looks very nice. Heh, I like sneaking up behind
> people and shooting them in the head with my Magnum. Fun. :)

Anthony
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From andrew at shugg.net  Fri Jun 13 16:10:20 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Jun 13 16:11:55 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Soon Andrew will be toasted... heh heh
	heh....
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	from ajones@clear.net.nz on Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 03:45:19PM +0800
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Quoth Anthony:
> I have a machine which is too gutless to play anything other than
> bugsquish.  It has a monitor and mouse are otherwise unused (the
> keyboard has the old-school gigantic plug on it though).

Thanks, but that's okay, I will bring a pair of 17" monitors and at
least one PS/2 keyboard and mouse.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Fri Jun 13 16:16:42 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Jun 13 16:18:04 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Soon Andrew will be toasted... heh heh
	heh....
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	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 03:29:54PM +0800
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Quoth Peter:
> Hi all. Well well well, Friday the 13th. A nice ominous day to presage
> a LAN party in which Pete fries you all, especially Andrew.

Bah.  You suck.

> Well, I guess I'll try to not fry those on my team, but I can't make
> any promises... :)
> 
> 
> Just to remind everyone.... this one is tomorrow at the noble
> Anthony's house - to quote from the man himself:
> 
> > 46 Stockdale Crescent
> > Wembley Downs 6019
> > Ph 9445-2278.
> > 
> > Turn up any time after 11:00am ish.

I forgot to do a "who's coming?" email.  Silly of me.  Anthony, how are
you for tables and chairs?  I'm going to come and so is my brother, and
he is bringing a friend!  So that's three ... plus Pete ... and Karl I
assume.  And Anthony is six.  Who else?  Cameron?  Roger?

Jeremy the Ball is still in the process of moving into his new house or
something, and has been making some pathetic excuses about not being
able to book Saturdays in advance for LAN parties because of potential
late-notice work stuff.  Bah, I say.  You'd better still attend.  ;)

Stuart James has given his apologies (in private, due to the pathetic
nature of his excuse), but what about the rest of you people?  Wez?  You
in Perth at the moment?  =)

> Craig and I had to put it through some extensive testing last night on
> Quake 3 Urban Terror. Looks very nice. Heh, I like sneaking up behind
> people and shooting them in the head with my Magnum. Fun. :)

You're such a child.  *sigh*

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Fri Jun 13 16:44:51 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Fri Jun 13 16:47:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Soon Andrew will be toasted... heh heh
	heh....
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Message-ID: <4BEE7D6B-9D7B-11D7-A4B1-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

> I forgot to do a "who's coming?" email.  Silly of me.  Anthony, how are
> you for tables and chairs?  I'm going to come and so is my brother, and
> he is bringing a friend!  So that's three ... plus Pete ... and Karl I
> assume.  And Anthony is six.  Who else?  Cameron?  Roger?

Karl said he would be coming, and I'll be there, along with Kim. Matt 
has also said that he can make it for the first time. Should be fun.

So we have:
Andrew
David
Friend of David
Karl
Matt
Cam
Kim
Pete

So that's 8 so far. Did I miss anyone?

Cam
--
"Women are not the weaker sex. Have you ever tried pulling a doona away 
from one at 3 in the morning?"

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Jun 13 17:16:32 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Jun 13 17:19:44 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Soon Andrew will be toasted... heh heh
	heh....
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On 13/06 16:44:51, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> >I forgot to do a "who's coming?" email.  Silly of me.  Anthony, how are
> >you for tables and chairs?  I'm going to come and so is my brother, and
> >he is bringing a friend!  So that's three ... plus Pete ... and Karl I
> >assume.  And Anthony is six.  Who else?  Cameron?  Roger?
> 
> Karl said he would be coming, and I'll be there, along with Kim. Matt 
> has also said that he can make it for the first time. Should be fun.
> 
> So we have:
> Andrew
> David
> Friend of David
> Karl
> Matt
> Cam
> Kim
> Pete
> 
> So that's 8 so far. Did I miss anyone?

Oooh that's right, I was going to ping Craig Miskell (who's not on the
list at the moment) and tell him the address, as he expressed an
interest in dropping by for the ambience. He probably won't be
bringing a machine though.

I'll have to push neighbour Craig (Foster) and see if I can force him
to come along too. I think he's been in the "not quite sure, maybe"
class for a week or two now, so hopefully he'll decide to join us. :)

He's got himself a brand-new GeForce4 sooper-dooper card, now (not the
crappy GeForce4MX that I've now got in chef - the _good_ GeForce4 :),
so hopefully he'll be unable to resist the temptation to come along
and test it out *grin*.

> Cam

I was pressuring Roger to join us as well, but he was hemming and
hawing last I remember. Hey Rog, I've now got a spare GeForce card
you can use instead of your TNT2 to boost your machine's performance a
tad (well, it's actually Craig's, but I'm sure he won't mind you
borrowing it).

Maybe Lindsay-the-Prosecutor-Extraordinaire? Lindsay, you out there?
Heh, we should try playing Jailbreak if Lindsay comes along, that
would be metaphorically amusing. :-)

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
All programmers are optimists.  Perhaps this modern sorcery especially attracts
those who believe in happy endings and fairy godmothers.  Perhaps the hundreds
of nitty frustrations drive away all but those who habitually focus on the end
goal.  Perhaps it is merely that computers are young, programmers are younger,
and the young are always optimists.  But however the selection process works,
the result is indisputable:  "This time it will surely run," or "I just found
the last bug."   -- Frederick Brooks, "The Mythical Man Month"
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Fri Jun 13 17:56:30 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Fri Jun 13 18:51:55 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Soon Andrew will be toasted... heh
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On Friday 13 June 2003 16:44, you wrote:
> > I forgot to do a "who's coming?" email.  Silly of me.  Anthony, how are
> > you for tables and chairs?  I'm going to come and so is my brother, and
> > he is bringing a friend!  So that's three ... plus Pete ... and Karl I
> > assume.  And Anthony is six.  Who else?  Cameron?  Roger?
>
> Karl said he would be coming, and I'll be there, along with Kim. Matt
> has also said that he can make it for the first time. Should be fun.
>
> So we have:
> Andrew
> David
> Friend of David
> Karl
> Matt
> Cam
> Kim
> Pete
>
> So that's 8 so far. Did I miss anyone?
>
> Cam

I have 6 chairs plus two outdoor plastic chairs (which could be re-purposed 
for a computer but aren't greatly comfortable), two fold out outdoor chairs 
which could used in desperation but are a little low. I've got enough table 
space for 6 machines. Pete is bringing a fold out table so we're still going 
to be one short unless one of those people can do a couch/laptop combo.

We have a gas BBQ and are near supavalue and dewsons (and a spare fridge) so 
that is a possible dinner idea. There are also all kinds of takeaways in 
Innaloo which isn't far from here.

Anthony
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From algernon at aloku.net  Fri Jun 13 19:07:23 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Fri Jun 13 19:14:31 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Soon Andrew will be toasted...
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:56, Anthony Jones wrote:
> I have 6 chairs plus two outdoor plastic chairs (which could be re-purposed
> for a computer but aren't greatly comfortable), two fold out outdoor chairs
> which could used in desperation but are a little low. I've got enough table
> space for 6 machines. Pete is bringing a fold out table so we're still
> going to be one short unless one of those people can do a couch/laptop
> combo.

Fear not, my furniture-deprived friend!  For I will save you!  I'll bring a 
foldup table + chair for myself.  Possibly a second table and chair, if I can 
fit it into my car.

> We have a gas BBQ and are near supavalue and dewsons (and a spare fridge)
> so that is a possible dinner idea. There are also all kinds of takeaways in
> Innaloo which isn't far from here.

Mmmm... takeaway in a loo....

- Karl

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Jun 13 21:40:56 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Jun 13 21:43:23 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Soon Andrew will be toasted...
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On 13/06 19:07:23, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:56, Anthony Jones wrote:
[ snip ]
> > I've got enough table space for 6 machines. Pete is bringing a
> > fold out table so we're still going to be one short unless one of
> > those people can do a couch/laptop combo.
> 
> Fear not, my furniture-deprived friend!  For I will save you!  I'll
> bring a foldup table + chair for myself.  Possibly a second table
> and chair, if I can fit it into my car.

And as aforementioned, I'll be bringing my card table and - having
now registered the seating shortage - I'll also bring my stool (nice
and portable and yet comfortable to sit on). Mmmm, stool. Depending on
how well I can arrange things in my car, I'll see if I can fit in an
extra chair as well.

However, I guess that if someone arrives too late in the day to claim
tablespace, they'll just have to claim some floorspace and maybe a
cushion to sit on. I'll bring along a symbolic cushion just in case
*grin*.

> - Karl

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
As part of the conversion, computer specialists rewrote 1,500
programs; a process that traditionally requires some debugging.
	-- USA Today, referring to the Internal Revenue Service
	   conversion to a new computer system.
From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Jun 16 17:17:04 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Jun 16 17:21:09 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Successful LAN party!  =)
Message-ID: <20030616171702.A1364@shugg.net>

Hi all,

Heart-felt thanks to Anthony and Bridget for hosting a very successful
LAN party on Saturday.  For those who couldn't make it, sucked in,
because although it was freezing cold outside all the computers made it
nice and toasty warm inside the house, and we had a BBQ dinner.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From jez at iinet.net.au  Mon Jun 16 20:10:39 2003
From: jez at iinet.net.au (Jeremy Ball)
Date: Mon Jun 16 20:15:38 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Successful LAN party!  =)
In-Reply-To: <20030616171702.A1364@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030616201039.00a3ab20@mail.iinet.net.au>

Apologies for my absence, but apart from work (bleargh) I was also moving
into my own new place.

Methinks it's a bit small for a LAN party, but come summer there is a
pool... and is there any rule against setting up a PC in the back yard?  ;)

Jeremy.



----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Give them an inch, and they'll take a foot... 
 and soon you won't have a leg to stand on."       -Duke of Wellington

http://www.iinet.net.au/~jez
From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Jun 16 21:55:21 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Jun 16 22:02:26 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Successful LAN party!  =)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030616201039.00a3ab20@mail.iinet.net.au>;
	from jez@iinet.net.au on Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 08:10:39PM +0000
References: <20030616171702.A1364@shugg.net>
	<3.0.6.32.20030616201039.00a3ab20@mail.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030616215515.A2174@shugg.net>

Quoth Jeremy:
> Apologies for my absence, but apart from work (bleargh) I was also moving
> into my own new place.

Still?!?  =)

> Methinks it's a bit small for a LAN party, but come summer there is a
> pool... and is there any rule against setting up a PC in the back yard?  ;)

No rule forbidding that at all.  The only concerns would be glare from
the sunlight, and of course the sunlight itself (anathema to most of us
... or me anyway).  It'd be extremely nice in the evening though I
think.  The neighbours might appreciate headphones being used rather
than speakers though.  =)

I'm sure your house isn't too small though.  Anthony and Bridget's house
isn't terribly large, but they squeezed all of us into the lounge room
after the sofa and two small couches were taken outside.  If you're
willing to let your furniture be moved I'm sure you'd be surprised at
how large a LAN party could be held at your place!  =D

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Tue Jun 17 10:14:15 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Jun 17 10:17:02 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party?  Or LAN parties even?
Message-ID: <20030617101412.A340@shugg.net>

I know that some people (regular attendees) are going to the Canberra IV
sometime in the next month or so, but when can we have another LAN party?

On Saturday I asked Pete if we could have another at his place, and he
said "maybe".  Hopefully he will let us know.  =)

I've also been contacted by a friend who is not on this list, but read
the LAN party web page (must have been bored), and has made a tentative
offer to have a party at his house.  I can't remember the name of the
suburb he's in, but it's further south down the Freeway than South St.
Would this be acceptable for people?  Want LAN, will travel?  If there
is some interest I will see if I can arrange something with him.

I can also host a party at our house in Mt Claremont in the second week
of July, either Sunday 6th or Saturday 12th, while the family is away.
(I'm staying in Perth while they go to Geraldton because I've got
commitments during the week.)  Who might be interested?

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 17 11:51:24 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Tue Jun 17 11:54:53 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Successful LAN party!  =)
In-Reply-To: <20030616215515.A2174@shugg.net>
References: <20030616171702.A1364@shugg.net>
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On Monday 16 June 2003 21:55, you wrote:
> I'm sure your house isn't too small though.  Anthony and Bridget's house
> isn't terribly large, but they squeezed all of us into the lounge room
> after the sofa and two small couches were taken outside.  If you're
> willing to let your furniture be moved I'm sure you'd be surprised at
> how large a LAN party could be held at your place!  =D

My living room is approximately 4 x 6 metres and we managed to fit 10 gaming 
stations. I admit that if there were a couple more people we would have run 
out of space - someone did tell Pete that he had to set up his PC outside.

I'm happy to host another LAN party when I am able to convert the second 
bedroom back into an office. That will be about two months time.


Anthony

P.S. Bridgette's has more letters than you expected.
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From andrew at shugg.net  Tue Jun 17 12:30:48 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Jun 17 12:32:56 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Successful LAN party!  =)
In-Reply-To: <20030617035126.A7A701C187@escher.takahe.net>;
	from ajones@clear.net.nz on Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 11:51:24AM +0800
References: <20030616171702.A1364@shugg.net>
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Message-ID: <20030617123046.B340@shugg.net>

Quoth Anthony:
> I'm happy to host another LAN party when I am able to convert the second 
> bedroom back into an office. That will be about two months time.

Excellent.  =)

> P.S. Bridgette's has more letters than you expected.

Sorry, consider be corrected...

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Tue Jun 17 13:11:09 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Tue Jun 17 13:15:03 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Speaking of LAN parties....
In-Reply-To: <20030617035126.A7A701C187@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030616171702.A1364@shugg.net> <20030616215515.A2174@shugg.net>
	<20030617035126.A7A701C187@escher.takahe.net>
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A suggestion was made at Anthony's LAN.


Suggestion:
-------------
Have a dedicated DHCP/DNS/SMB/FTP box to bring to each LAN party.


Reasoning:
------------
- It's a pain in the proverbial at a LAN trying to connect to other people's 
machines (i.e. 'What IP are you?' 'Dunno... hang on....' etc).  Especially 
when you're trying to leech, uh, mirror ftp archives.

- Some places don't have DHCP, some that do have dodgy DHCP (i.e. via a ADSL 
router) that can't seem to handle a LAN party (e.g. Wez).

- Some people have machines that are set to static IPs which some DHCP servers 
(again, mainly the hardware ones) don't seem to handle too well (e.g. Pete).

- Many of the latest patches/mods seem to be served on machines that 
dual-boot, and so are unavailable when those machines are playing games on an 
inferior OS (e.g. myself and Cameron).

- I have a spare machine at home that will do the job nicely, and isn't 
otherwise being used.

- I'm now unemployed and have spare time to do this.  In fact I'm doing this 
anyway for practice whether or not it ever gets actually used at LAN parties.

- It's much geekier.


Method:
---------
- Use a dedicated machine that's too old and slow to be a games server to host 
a DHCP server customised for LAN parties.  Also have DNS (including dynamic 
DNS).

- Include a small (c. 1-2GB) patch/update/mod repository, served by Samba and 
ftp (and possibly http).

- People with static IPs are taken into account with the DHCP range (provided 
they don't conflict with the home network), and are allocated DNS entries 
(e.g. Chef and Cartman)

- People who supply MAC addresses are assigned a static IP (via DHCP, so they 
don't have to touch anything) and DNS entries.

- The rest have dynamic IP and dynamic DNS, with a fallback DNS of something 
along the lines of 'guest-1' etc.

- The machine in question has two ethernet cards:  one is plugged into the 
existing home network (and politely is assigned an IP via DHCP, if 
applicable), the other connects to the LAN party network.  The machine acts 
as a bridge between the two networks, transparently passing all traffic 
except DCHP/bootp/RARP packets (so as not to interfere with the home DHCP).  
The home network is served by the existing infrastructure; the machine acts 
as the master DHCP/DNS server for the LAN party.  This way machines on the 
home network can join in, and the LAN party still has internet access.

- Any configuration changes needed to interface with a specific home network 
can all be done in advance on the machine in question, instead of trying to 
set up everyone when they arrive.

-------------------

Apart from generally being too much effort by a geek with too much time on his 
hands, what do people think?


- Karl (still fearing Telstra)

From jez at iinet.net.au  Tue Jun 17 05:11:16 2003
From: jez at iinet.net.au (Jeremy Ball)
Date: Tue Jun 17 13:22:27 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party?  Or LAN parties even?
Message-ID: <20030617051116.1733.qmail@www-01.iinet.net.au>

>I can also host a party at our house in Mt Claremont in the second
>week of July, either Sunday 6th or Saturday 12th, while the family
>is away.  (I'm staying in Perth while they go to Geraldton because
>I've got commitments during the week.)  Who might be interested?

Having the party while they're away?  Get the three dwarves involved I say! 
They'd own Pete in a bit of chainsaw deathmatch.  Take the big fella down at
the knees.  ;)


From ajones at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 17 13:31:54 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Tue Jun 17 13:37:21 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Speaking of LAN parties....
In-Reply-To: <200306171311.09990.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <20030616171702.A1364@shugg.net>
	<20030617035126.A7A701C187@escher.takahe.net>
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Something I've already suggested to Andrew is:

We could use rsync to synchronise our game installations. We just need 
someone to volunteer to keep this image up to date.

For example, Pete could do this:

rsync -Cavz /usr/local/games/UnrealTournament 
takahe.blacksapphire.com:/usr/local/games/

And everyone else could do this:

rsync -Cavz takahe.blacksapphire.com:UnrealTournament /usr/local/games/

Because rsync is a differential copy it would mean that only the differences 
in the installation would be copied. This would save me and everyone else 
from trying to figure out how to apply the latest patch to each of the games.

Anthony

On Tuesday 17 June 2003 13:11, you wrote:
> A suggestion was made at Anthony's LAN.
>
>
> Suggestion:
> -------------
> Have a dedicated DHCP/DNS/SMB/FTP box to bring to each LAN party.
>
>
> Reasoning:
> ------------
> - It's a pain in the proverbial at a LAN trying to connect to other
> people's machines (i.e. 'What IP are you?' 'Dunno... hang on....' etc). 
> Especially when you're trying to leech, uh, mirror ftp archives.
>
> - Some places don't have DHCP, some that do have dodgy DHCP (i.e. via a
> ADSL router) that can't seem to handle a LAN party (e.g. Wez).
>
> - Some people have machines that are set to static IPs which some DHCP
> servers (again, mainly the hardware ones) don't seem to handle too well
> (e.g. Pete).
>
> - Many of the latest patches/mods seem to be served on machines that
> dual-boot, and so are unavailable when those machines are playing games on
> an inferior OS (e.g. myself and Cameron).
>
> - I have a spare machine at home that will do the job nicely, and isn't
> otherwise being used.
>
> - I'm now unemployed and have spare time to do this.  In fact I'm doing
> this anyway for practice whether or not it ever gets actually used at LAN
> parties.
>
> - It's much geekier.
>
>
> Method:
> ---------
> - Use a dedicated machine that's too old and slow to be a games server to
> host a DHCP server customised for LAN parties.  Also have DNS (including
> dynamic DNS).
>
> - Include a small (c. 1-2GB) patch/update/mod repository, served by Samba
> and ftp (and possibly http).
>
> - People with static IPs are taken into account with the DHCP range
> (provided they don't conflict with the home network), and are allocated DNS
> entries (e.g. Chef and Cartman)
>
> - People who supply MAC addresses are assigned a static IP (via DHCP, so
> they don't have to touch anything) and DNS entries.
>
> - The rest have dynamic IP and dynamic DNS, with a fallback DNS of
> something along the lines of 'guest-1' etc.
>
> - The machine in question has two ethernet cards:  one is plugged into the
> existing home network (and politely is assigned an IP via DHCP, if
> applicable), the other connects to the LAN party network.  The machine acts
> as a bridge between the two networks, transparently passing all traffic
> except DCHP/bootp/RARP packets (so as not to interfere with the home DHCP).
> The home network is served by the existing infrastructure; the machine acts
> as the master DHCP/DNS server for the LAN party.  This way machines on the
> home network can join in, and the LAN party still has internet access.
>
> - Any configuration changes needed to interface with a specific home
> network can all be done in advance on the machine in question, instead of
> trying to set up everyone when they arrive.
>
> -------------------
>
> Apart from generally being too much effort by a geek with too much time on
> his hands, what do people think?
>
>
> - Karl (still fearing Telstra)
>
>
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From algernon at aloku.net  Tue Jun 17 15:07:20 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Tue Jun 17 15:21:44 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Speaking of LAN parties....
In-Reply-To: <20030617053201.4B4321C187@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030616171702.A1364@shugg.net>
	<200306171311.09990.algernon@aloku.net>
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> Something I've already suggested to Andrew is:
>
> We could use rsync to synchronise our game installations. We just need
> someone to volunteer to keep this image up to date.

Well, assuming everyone HAS rsync installed, of course....

> And everyone else could do this:
>
> rsync -Cavz takahe.blacksapphire.com:UnrealTournament /usr/local/games/

I for one though will not be doing this... I personally don't like the idea of 
rsyncing someone else's installation over mine.  If nothing else, what if 
I've been trying out a few mods that aren't on the 'official' image?  
Especially single-player mods (e.g. ONP for UT)?

And what about Windoze users?

I can see this working - for those who want to (and can) do it.  But I think 
we need a 'manual override' for the more advanced/anal amongst us.

- Karl

From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jun 18 00:19:48 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Jun 18 00:22:06 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Half-Life 2 movie
Message-ID: <20030618001946.L259@shugg.net>

Sorry for being a little behind the latest news.  =)

Who's downloaded the staggering 600M Half-Life 2 movie, then?

  http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/halflife2/

I think I heard Pete say at the last LAN party that it was on mirror.3fl
here in WAIX, but not everyone can reach that site at the moment.  =/

Anyway, this particular movie is a bit too big for me to download right
now, but I'd like to see if, so if anyone has already grabbed it could
they please let me know?  Ta.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jun 18 01:39:38 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Jun 18 01:41:59 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party?  Or LAN parties even?
In-Reply-To: <20030617051116.1733.qmail@www-01.iinet.net.au>;
	from jez@iinet.net.au on Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 05:11:16AM -0000
References: <20030617051116.1733.qmail@www-01.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030618013936.A3936@shugg.net>

Quoth Jeremy:
> >I can also host a party at our house in Mt Claremont in the second
> >week of July, either Sunday 6th or Saturday 12th, while the family
> >is away.  (I'm staying in Perth while they go to Geraldton because
> >I've got commitments during the week.)  Who might be interested?
> 
> Having the party while they're away?  Get the three dwarves involved I say! 

They're not dwarves.  *sulk*

> They'd own Pete in a bit of chainsaw deathmatch.  Take the big fella down at
> the knees.  ;)

They haven't really shown an interest in chainsaws yet.  These are girls
remember Jeremy, not boys.  =)

And yes, it really would be best for all concerned if a LAN party was
held when the house was empty rather than full.

So you're on then for early July I take it Jem?  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jun 18 01:49:21 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Jun 18 01:50:13 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Speaking of LAN parties....
In-Reply-To: <200306171311.09990.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:11:09PM +0800
References: <20030616171702.A1364@shugg.net> <20030616215515.A2174@shugg.net>
	<20030617035126.A7A701C187@escher.takahe.net>
	<200306171311.09990.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030618014920.B3936@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> A suggestion was made at Anthony's LAN.
> 
> Suggestion:
> -------------
> Have a dedicated DHCP/DNS/SMB/FTP box to bring to each LAN party.

Sounds good to me, and if you've got the bits, go for it.

I drew up a plan for such a thing long ago, with more or less exactly
the same intention, except larger storage so it could hold everything
needed for the games.  I especially approve of separating the LAN party
network from the house owner's network in this way.

It should be easy to keep a list of MAC addresses from peoples' machines
and assign static leases to them from within the DHCP pool.  Even if
people like Pete don't change their network configuration to use DHCP,
we can still make their lease in DHCP match what they've already got so
everything is consistent.  Then hostnames could be mapped in DNS to each
person's name, or something else if that's unpalatable.

I can help if you want, but I assume you want to do this all yourself!

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jun 18 02:05:15 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Jun 18 02:08:25 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] 
	Something else I've found for Windows people: MBM, MotherBoard
	Monitor
Message-ID: <20030618020513.C3936@shugg.net>

Another one of those things that I can't use, but maybe somebody else
can.  =)

MBM or MotherBoard Monitor is "a tool that will display information from
the sensor chip on your motherboard in your Windows system tray."  I am
aware that when you buy (or build) a computer these days, the motherboard
is usually accompanied by a floppy disk or CDROM with a bunch of software
on it, including something to check your CPU temperature etc.  What MBM
does is provide a comprehensive array of monitors, logging facilities,
and overheat protection by shutting the system off.  Also it provides
all this with a consistent interface across many different motherboard
manufacturers and versions of Windows.

  http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

The currently released version is "MBM 5.3.3.0" which is available for
download in Australia here:

  http://planetmirror.com/pub/mbm/

Somebody let me know if they try it out so I don't feel like I'm talking
to myself here.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Wed Jun 18 09:02:30 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Wed Jun 18 09:05:13 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Half-Life 2 movie
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD0213745C@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


I don't know if it's the same footage ... But I have the full Halflife 2
Demo at E3 as a series of 60meg a piece quicktime movies.

It was filmed by a journo with a digital camera, and they don't total to
600meg ... perhaps the 600meg movie is direct feed footage. Hmm.

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Andrew Shugg
> Reply To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 18, 2003 0:19 AM
> To: 	ShuggNet LANParty List
> Subject: 	[shuggnet-lanparty] Half-Life 2 movie
> 
> Sorry for being a little behind the latest news.  =)
> 
> Who's downloaded the staggering 600M Half-Life 2 movie, then?
> 
>   http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/halflife2/
> 
> I think I heard Pete say at the last LAN party that it was on mirror.3fl
> here in WAIX, but not everyone can reach that site at the moment.  =/
> 
> Anyway, this particular movie is a bit too big for me to download right
> now, but I'd like to see if, so if anyone has already grabbed it could
> they please let me know?  Ta.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
> http://shugg.net/andrew/
> 
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and
> wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
>     
> /*  
>     
>     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>     
>     Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
>     message goes to everybody).
>     
>     More info on the web site: http://shugg.net/lanparty/
>     
>     No sheep were harmed in the creation of this message.
>     
> */  
> 
> 
From jez at iinet.net.au  Wed Jun 18 04:55:56 2003
From: jez at iinet.net.au (Jeremy Ball)
Date: Wed Jun 18 12:57:03 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party?  Or LAN parties even?
Message-ID: <20030618045556.11514.qmail@www-01.iinet.net.au>

>They're not dwarves.  *sulk*

Andrew, they're two and a half feet tall.  If that's not dwarvish I don't know
what is.  ;)

>They haven't really shown an interest in chainsaws yet.  These are girls
>remember Jeremy, not boys.  =)

Oh yeah, girlie things.  I think I read about them once...
 
>So you're on then for early July I take it Jem?  =)

I hope so!  I may even have a special boxen by then, so I don't have to drag
the one with all the hard drives about.  Unless a spare machine would be
handy.

ps.  I attempted to abuse my position and download than half-life2 movie on
work's frame-relay connection, but it crapped out after 167MB.  :(


From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Jun 18 16:14:14 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Jun 18 16:17:07 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party?  Or LAN parties even?
In-Reply-To: <20030618013936.A3936@shugg.net>
References: <20030617051116.1733.qmail@www-01.iinet.net.au>
	<20030618013936.A3936@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030618081414.GA10478@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 18/06 01:39:38, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Jeremy:
[ snip ]
> > Having the party while they're away?  Get the three dwarves
> > involved I say! 
> 
> They're not dwarves.  *sulk*

Dwarfs, perhaps? :)

(Sorry, Tolkien reference)

> > They'd own Pete in a bit of chainsaw deathmatch.  Take the big
> > fella down at the knees.  ;)
> 
> They haven't really shown an interest in chainsaws yet.  These are
> girls remember Jeremy, not boys.  =)

Girls... girls.... how do those things work again?

> And yes, it really would be best for all concerned if a LAN party was
> held when the house was empty rather than full.

*grin*

I'm prepared to take Andrew's word for it on this point. Besides
which, I really don't want any manic chainsaw-wielding dwarfs running
around at knee-height, regardless of their gender :).

> So you're on then for early July I take it Jem?  =)

I'd be in.

> Andrew.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
At first sight, the idea of any rules or principles being superimposed on
the creative mind seems more likely to hinder than to help, but this is
quite untrue in practice.  Disciplined thinking focuses inspiration rather
than blinkers it.  -- G.L. Glegg, "The Design of Design"
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Wed Jun 18 17:45:44 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Wed Jun 18 17:48:24 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party?  Or LAN parties even?
In-Reply-To: <20030618081414.GA10478@cartman.flooble.net.au>
References: <20030617051116.1733.qmail@www-01.iinet.net.au>
	<20030618013936.A3936@shugg.net>
	<20030618081414.GA10478@cartman.flooble.net.au>
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On Wednesday 18 June 2003 16:14, you wrote:
> I'm prepared to take Andrew's word for it on this point. Besides
> which, I really don't want any manic chainsaw-wielding dwarfs running
> around at knee-height, regardless of their gender :).

A friend of mine who has several children and lives in a small ex gold mining 
town in on the west coast of the South Island in New Zealand. One day he 
found his children and some of the other neighbourhood children wandering 
around with axes and other sharp garden implements - when asked about this 
the children said that they were playing "Doom". Although they weren't trying 
to chop eachother up or anything it's one of those things you wouldn't want 
blown out of all proportion.

Obviously guns are OK but it's best not to get small children interested in 
objects which they may find in the garden shed.

Anthony
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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Jun 18 23:19:58 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Jun 18 23:22:37 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party?  Or LAN parties even?
In-Reply-To: <20030618094549.92C021C131@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030617051116.1733.qmail@www-01.iinet.net.au>
	<20030618013936.A3936@shugg.net>
	<20030618081414.GA10478@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030618094549.92C021C131@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030618151958.GB10478@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 18/06 17:45:44, Anthony Jones wrote:
[ snip re: small humans ]
> One day he found his children and some of the other neighbourhood
> children wandering around with axes and other sharp garden
> implements - when asked about this the children said that they were
> playing "Doom".

Hmmm, says Pete in a slightly disconcerted tone.

> Although they weren't trying to chop eachother up or anything it's
> one of those things you wouldn't want blown out of all proportion.

...and the award for descriptive use of words goes to... :)

> Obviously guns are OK but it's best not to get small children
> interested in objects which they may find in the garden shed.

You mean you don't keep your guns in the garden shed? Where _do_ you
keep them then? ;-)

> Anthony

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Coding is easy;  All you do is sit staring at a terminal until the drops
of blood form on your forehead.
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Jun 19 02:31:37 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jun 19 02:33:32 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party?  Or LAN parties even?
In-Reply-To: <20030618045556.11514.qmail@www-01.iinet.net.au>;
	from jez@iinet.net.au on Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 04:55:56AM -0000
References: <20030618045556.11514.qmail@www-01.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030619023135.A3116@shugg.net>

Quoth Jeremy:
> >They're not dwarves.  *sulk*
> 
> Andrew, they're two and a half feet tall.  If that's not dwarvish I
> don't know what is.  ;)

They're all over three feet high.  Not that I'm getting defensive or
anything.  (Bwark bwark bwark, raises comb.)

> ps.  I attempted to abuse my position and download than half-life2 movie on
> work's frame-relay connection, but it crapped out after 167MB.  :(

Don't let them defeat you!  You've heard of this thing called reget
haven't you?  Use a decent download utility ...

  http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/wget.html

Download the Windows binary here:

  ftp://ftp.sunsite.dk/projects/wget/windows/wget-1.8.2b.zip

... and never be plagued with incomplete FTP or HTTP downloads again!


It is a command-line utility, which means you need to be brave.  In this
case you could run the command the following way:

  wget --tries=0 --random-wait http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/halflife2/hl2_gameplay_improved_gsi.zip

This would retry forever until the download is complete, and wait a
random amount of time between each connection attempt.  wget --help will
give you the full list of things you can tell it to do.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Tue Jun 24 07:49:40 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Tue Jun 24 07:53:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
Message-ID: <20030623234940.GD20174@cartman.flooble.net.au>


Re: New G5 Power Macs "Fastest Desktop In The World" story -

http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=68634&cid=6276439 :

  The Dream System. (Score:5, Interesting)
  by jellomizer (103300) on 03:23 AM June 24th, 2003 (#6276439)
  (http://slashdot.org/)
  . Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
  . 8GB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 8x1GB
  . 2x250GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
  . ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
  . Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel)
  . Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel) + Apple DVI to ADC Adapter
  . AirPort Extreme Card
  . Bluetooth Module
  . SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
  . Apple Keyboard & Apple Mouse - U.S. English
  . Mac OS X - U.S. English
  . Logitech Z-680 THX 5.1 Speakers & Monster 2-meter Cable
  . AirPort Extreme Base Station (with modem and antenna port)
  . APP for Power Mac (w/ or w/o display) - Enrollment Kit
  
    Subtotal $12,632.95


($US, obviously)

Pete, trying to clean up drool.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Real Programmers don't write in FORTRAN.  FORTRAN is for pipe stress freaks and
crystallography weenies.  FORTRAN is for wimp engineers who wear white socks.
From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Tue Jun 24 10:23:56 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Tue Jun 24 10:31:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137498@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


Well, I can attest to how neat the Logitech Z-680 speakers are, I've got
them hooked up to my Xbox/PS2/Cube nest at home. I can't turn them up past
halfway though, otherwise they shatter glass. *sigh*

Hmm, after checking out the US Apple site, I notice the entry level system
meets my upgrade criteria (At 1.6Mhz, it runs four times faster than my
current home machine), Cool. Bizarre that they still won't ship a mouse with
a scroll wheel or 2nd button.

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Peter Wright
> Reply To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Sent: 	Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:49 AM
> To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Subject: 	[shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
> 
> 
> Re: New G5 Power Macs "Fastest Desktop In The World" story -
> 
> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=68634&cid=6276439 :
> 
>   The Dream System. (Score:5, Interesting)
>   by jellomizer (103300) on 03:23 AM June 24th, 2003 (#6276439)
>   (http://slashdot.org/)
>   . Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
>   . 8GB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 8x1GB
>   . 2x250GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
>   . ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
>   . Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel)
>   . Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel) + Apple DVI to ADC Adapter
>   . AirPort Extreme Card
>   . Bluetooth Module
>   . SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
>   . Apple Keyboard & Apple Mouse - U.S. English
>   . Mac OS X - U.S. English
>   . Logitech Z-680 THX 5.1 Speakers & Monster 2-meter Cable
>   . AirPort Extreme Base Station (with modem and antenna port)
>   . APP for Power Mac (w/ or w/o display) - Enrollment Kit
>   
>     Subtotal $12,632.95
> 
> 
> ($US, obviously)
> 
> Pete, trying to clean up drool.
> -- 
> http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
> Real Programmers don't write in FORTRAN.  FORTRAN is for pipe stress
> freaks and
> crystallography weenies.  FORTRAN is for wimp engineers who wear white
> socks.
>     
> /*  
>     
>     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>     
>     Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
>     message goes to everybody).
>     
>     More info on the web site: http://shugg.net/lanparty/
>     
>     No sheep were harmed in the creation of this message.
>     
> */  
> 
> 
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 24 11:09:00 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Tue Jun 24 11:12:29 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
In-Reply-To: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137498@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137498@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20030624030903.80A751C38C@escher.takahe.net>

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On Tuesday 24 June 2003 10:23, you wrote:
> Well, I can attest to how neat the Logitech Z-680 speakers are, I've got
> them hooked up to my Xbox/PS2/Cube nest at home. I can't turn them up past
> halfway though, otherwise they shatter glass. *sigh*
>
> Hmm, after checking out the US Apple site, I notice the entry level system
> meets my upgrade criteria (At 1.6Mhz, it runs four times faster than my
> current home machine), Cool. Bizarre that they still won't ship a mouse
> with a scroll wheel or 2nd button.

Apple are continuing their crusade against feature creep on the mouse. It 
also means that their touch screen versions will work exactly the same as 
their mouse versions. This will probably help them in the long run. I've 
never been a fan of trying to squeeze half a keyboard on top of the mouse 
anyway.

Bridgette (my wife) keeps telling me she wants to be able to scroll left and 
right as well as up and down. We're eventually going to have to change over 
to mice with built in track balls.

The thing is that the processor is really no longer the bottleneck. The thing 
that surprises me most in Pete's post is:

> >   . 2x250GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm

The hard drive is 7200 rpm which is 120 revolutions per second. That is one 
revolution every 8.3 milliseconds. If you want a piece of data it will be on 
average 4.1 milliseconds away[`1]. The more pieces of data you want the more 
times you have to wait for the disk to spin.

I'm surprised they (the person who was pricing a dream system) didn't go for 
a 15,000 RPM drive.

[1]. If these drives are mirrored and have synchronised spindles then it is 
possible to have the mirrors 180 degrees from eachother thus halving the read 
time.

> > ----------
> > From: 	Peter Wright
> > Reply To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> > Sent: 	Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:49 AM
> > To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> > Subject: 	[shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
> >
> >
> > Re: New G5 Power Macs "Fastest Desktop In The World" story -
> >
> > http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=68634&cid=6276439 :
> >
> >   The Dream System. (Score:5, Interesting)
> >   by jellomizer (103300) on 03:23 AM June 24th, 2003 (#6276439)
> >   (http://slashdot.org/)
> >   . Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
> >   . 8GB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 8x1GB
> >   . 2x250GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
> >   . ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
> >   . Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel)
> >   . Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel) + Apple DVI to ADC Adapter
> >   . AirPort Extreme Card
> >   . Bluetooth Module
> >   . SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
> >   . Apple Keyboard & Apple Mouse - U.S. English
> >   . Mac OS X - U.S. English
> >   . Logitech Z-680 THX 5.1 Speakers & Monster 2-meter Cable
> >   . AirPort Extreme Base Station (with modem and antenna port)
> >   . APP for Power Mac (w/ or w/o display) - Enrollment Kit
> >
> >     Subtotal $12,632.95
> >
> >
> > ($US, obviously)
> >
> > Pete, trying to clean up drool.
> > --
> > http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
> > Real Programmers don't write in FORTRAN.  FORTRAN is for pipe stress
> > freaks and
> > crystallography weenies.  FORTRAN is for wimp engineers who wear white
> > socks.
> >
> > /*
> >
> >     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet
> > skillz.
> >
> >     Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
> >     message goes to everybody).
> >
> >     More info on the web site: http://shugg.net/lanparty/
> >
> >     No sheep were harmed in the creation of this message.
> >
> > */
>
> /*
>
>     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>
>     Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
>     message goes to everybody).
>
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>
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>
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From eggrogue at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jun 24 12:16:16 2003
From: eggrogue at bigpond.net.au (George)
Date: Tue Jun 24 12:17:37 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
In-Reply-To: <20030624030903.80A751C38C@escher.takahe.net>
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137498@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
 <20030624030903.80A751C38C@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <16413882529.20030624121616@bigpond.net.au>

Hi Anthony,

You wrote:

> The hard drive is 7200 rpm which is 120 revolutions per second. That is one
> revolution every 8.3 milliseconds. If you want a piece of data it will be on 
> average 4.1 milliseconds away[`1]. The more pieces of data you want the more 
> times you have to wait for the disk to spin.

Not quite. What you've described is seek time. And the way you've
described it implies that each and every piece of data requires a
seek, which it usually doesn't, especially since data is often stored
consecutively (fragmentation is when data is all over the place).

Furthermore looking at seek time is fairly meaningless without also
looking at transfer rate, and the ratio of seek to transfer.

And of course there's caches, both hardware and software that can
often eliminate seek and transfer for various data.

In practice seek times are commonly around the 8 to 10 millisecond
mark, because seek involves not just waiting for the right sector to
revolve under the head (rotational latency I think it's called), but
also for the head to move to the right track - closer or futher away
from the centre of rotation of the drive.

> I'm surprised they (the person who was pricing a dream system) didn't go for
> a 15,000 RPM drive.

Having two regular speed drives and configuring them for concurrent
RAID is often cheaper than one single super-duper drive, and can give
the same or better result.

> [1]. If these drives are mirrored and have synchronised spindles then it is 
> possible to have the mirrors 180 degrees from eachother thus halving the read 
> time.

It wouldn't half the read time, it would only halve the seek time. And
only that portion of the seek time that is caused by rotational
latency.

And then of course you'd be slower overall when writing, because you'd
have to wait for both drives to finish each write (to maintain the
mirroring) thus always incurring the longest amount of seek time
(whichever drive was slower).

How concurrent RAID works is by having both drives read or write
simultaneously. So if you want to read or write 8 bytes of data, drive
A takes care of 4 bytes while at the same time drive B takes care of
the other 4 bytes. You have the same seek time as a single drive
but around double the transfer rate.

Mirroring is done as a backup/redundancy thing, but it doesn't
increase speed.

-- 
Cheers,
 George


From jez at iinet.net.au  Tue Jun 24 05:32:34 2003
From: jez at iinet.net.au (Jeremy Ball)
Date: Tue Jun 24 13:33:33 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
Message-ID: <20030624053234.14032.qmail@www-01.iinet.net.au>

>Hmm, after checking out the US Apple site, I notice the entry 
>level system meets my upgrade criteria (At 1.6Mhz, it runs four 
>times faster than my current home machine

I apologise in advance, but...

1.6 MHz is four times faster than your current home machine?  What are you
running, a Casio watch?  :D

Ahh... it had to be done.


From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Tue Jun 24 15:19:07 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Tue Jun 24 15:21:03 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD021374A3@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


*heh heh* that's right, I only need a .46mhz processor on my mac to outrun
an equivalent 1.6ghz wintel box. Isn't life grand ... ;-p

Hey, speaking of competing - I think the new mac finder in 10.3 looks so
much like Windows Explorer I think Microsoft should sue Apple for patent
infringments. *sigh* What goes around comes around ...

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Jeremy Ball
> Reply To: 	jez@iinet.net.au;Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN
> parties.
> Sent: 	Tuesday, June 24, 2003 13:32 PM
> To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Subject: 	Re:[shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
> 
> >Hmm, after checking out the US Apple site, I notice the entry 
> >level system meets my upgrade criteria (At 1.6Mhz, it runs four 
> >times faster than my current home machine
> 
> I apologise in advance, but...
> 
> 1.6 MHz is four times faster than your current home machine?  What are you
> running, a Casio watch?  :D
> 
> Ahh... it had to be done.
> 
> 
>     
> /*  
>     
>     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>     
>     Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
>     message goes to everybody).
>     
>     More info on the web site: http://shugg.net/lanparty/
>     
>     No sheep were harmed in the creation of this message.
>     
> */  
> 
> 
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Sat Jun 28 16:35:33 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Sat Jun 28 16:38:21 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bahahahahahahaha
Message-ID: <20030628083533.GA16085@cartman.flooble.net.au>


I lost an optical mouse that I "borrowed" from work at a LAN party
somewhere around a year and a half to two years ago.

I'd pretty much presumed that one of the LANpartyers must have
inadvertently taken it (it was a standard Microsoft optical mouse and
there were quite a few people at that LP using identical mice), as I'd
searched with great energy and been completely unable to find it
anywhere in the house. Oh well, my then workplace wasn't particularly
concerned (I should have "borrowed" something decent, like a nice LCD
monitor ;-)), so I pretty much gave up on it after a bit, considering
it just one of those unfortunate LANparty casualties.

Well, I just found it. While I was in the process of looking for
something else, of course.

Goddamnit. *grin*

Oh well, I can use it to replace my fuxored Logitech 3-button mouse
(of which the primary button failed at Anthony's LAN party a couple
of weeks ago). 

Yay.


Now I just need to track down the bloody modem I was looking for... :-)

Pete the Git Who Loses Things.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
If at first you don't succeed, call it version 1.0.
From andrew at shugg.net  Sat Jun 28 19:39:43 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sat Jun 28 19:41:47 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bahahahahahahaha
In-Reply-To: <20030628083533.GA16085@cartman.flooble.net.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 04:35:33PM +0800
References: <20030628083533.GA16085@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030628193941.A2416@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> I lost an optical mouse that I "borrowed" from work at a LAN party
> somewhere around a year and a half to two years ago.
>
> Well, I just found it. While I was in the process of looking for
> something else, of course.

Yay, another mystery solved.

Bloody typical that you had it all the time of course, and that you even
managed to bring it with you when you moved house.

> Now I just need to track down the bloody modem I was looking for... :-)

I assume it's not the one via which you sent this email?  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Jun 30 19:38:00 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Jun 30 19:41:05 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
In-Reply-To: 
	<A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137498@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>; from
	TobyO@screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au on Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:23:56AM +0800
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137498@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20030630193758.A2219@shugg.net>

Quoth Toby:
> Hmm, after checking out the US Apple site, I notice the entry level
> system meets my upgrade criteria (At 1.6Mhz, it runs four times faster
> than my current home machine), Cool.

... and that's just the clock speed.  Don't be fooled by the MegaHertz
Myth!  ;)  The 1.6GHz G5 won't be 4x your 400MHz G4 in everything it
does, but in quite a few things it could well be 10x faster.

Woot!  =)

> Bizarre that they still won't ship a mouse with
> a scroll wheel or 2nd button.
> 
> T.

Yeah, that'd be the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field again.  *sigh*

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Mon Jun 30 19:47:40 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Mon Jun 30 19:49:01 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
In-Reply-To: <20030630193758.A2219@shugg.net>
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137498@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
	<20030630193758.A2219@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200306301947.40842.algernon@aloku.net>

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:38, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > Bizarre that they still won't ship a mouse with
> > a scroll wheel or 2nd button.
> >
> > T.
>
> Yeah, that'd be the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field again.  *sigh*

You could always buy a Microsoft Intellimouse and plug it in.  Ahhh, the 
irony.... :)

- Karl


From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Jun 30 20:04:06 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Jun 30 20:06:11 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
In-Reply-To: <200306301947.40842.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 07:47:40PM +0800
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137498@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
	<20030630193758.A2219@shugg.net> <200306301947.40842.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030630200403.B2219@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> You could always buy a Microsoft Intellimouse and plug it in.  Ahhh, the 
> irony.... :)
> 
> - Karl

Indeed, as so many Mac users do.  I have a Logitech 3-button USB mouse.
It's of the old school, in that it still has a ball (!) and requires a
mouse pad, but for years I've used the 3M precision mousing surface pads
and they've been great.

It may no longer be true - or may not be true of the MS mice - but when
Apple released their 'new' mouse (optical as opposed to ball) the stuff
I read said that the sampling rate was too low for accurate mousing in
games like Quake 3.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Jun 30 22:10:47 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Jun 30 22:12:42 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party!
Message-ID: <20030630221045.M491@shugg.net>

Okay, so who's available for a LAN party on Sunday 6th July or Sunday
13th July at my place?  (I think those are the two dates available...)
Or persons of an underemployed nature may like to come over on the 7th
and 8th of July (next Monday and Tuesday).

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Mon Jun 30 22:37:18 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Mon Jun 30 22:38:25 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
In-Reply-To: <20030630200403.B2219@shugg.net>
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137498@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
	<200306301947.40842.algernon@aloku.net> <20030630200403.B2219@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200306302237.18686.algernon@aloku.net>

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:04, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Karl:
> > You could always buy a Microsoft Intellimouse and plug it in.  Ahhh, the
> > irony.... :)
> >
> > - Karl
>
> Indeed, as so many Mac users do.  I have a Logitech 3-button USB mouse.
> It's of the old school, in that it still has a ball (!) and requires a
> mouse pad, but for years I've used the 3M precision mousing surface pads
> and they've been great.
>
> It may no longer be true - or may not be true of the MS mice - but when
> Apple released their 'new' mouse (optical as opposed to ball) the stuff
> I read said that the sampling rate was too low for accurate mousing in
> games like Quake 3.

All Microsoft and Logitech USB mice (in fact, all corded USB mice that I know 
of) sample on PCs at a default rate of 120-125Hz[0].   I've heard rumours 
that the Apple mice sample at only 40Hz (which is too slow for fps games), 
but don't know if there's any truth to it - or if there is, if it's a 
hardware or OS constraint.

By comparison, PC serial mice sample at 40Hz and PS/2 mice default to 40-60Hz 
on Windows (40 Hz in Win9x and ME, 60Hz in NT/2000/XP).  Exactly how fast a 
sample rate is necessary for good gaming is unclear, but most serious gamers 
seem to agree that it's definitely more than 60Hz.

Back in the PS/2 days I knew people who'd overclocked[1] their mice to 
200Hz(!).  Subjective evaluation seemed to indicate that anything over 
100-120Hz didn't give any extra advantage, although 100Hz did seem to give a 
noticeable advantage over 60Hz.

- Karl

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[0] Note that the 120-125Hz sample rate only applies to corded mice; cordless 
mice typically sample at 35-45Hz, and even the most expensive ones are lucky 
to hit 50Hz.  That's why gamers never use cordless mice (although some also 
gripe about the batteries making the mouse too heavy for quick or 
fine-grained movement).

[1]  Yes, it's not only CPUs, motherboards and graphics cards that can be 
overclocked.  Scary.

From algernon at aloku.net  Mon Jun 30 22:38:17 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Mon Jun 30 22:48:57 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party!
In-Reply-To: <20030630221045.M491@shugg.net>
References: <20030630221045.M491@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200306302238.17870.algernon@aloku.net>

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:10, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Okay, so who's available for a LAN party on Sunday 6th July or Sunday
> 13th July at my place?  (I think those are the two dates available...)
> Or persons of an underemployed nature may like to come over on the 7th
> and 8th of July (next Monday and Tuesday).

Well, I'm not.  For any of those dates.

- Karl

From fostware at iinet.net.au  Mon Jun 30 22:54:53 2003
From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster)
Date: Mon Jun 30 22:56:46 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff
In-Reply-To: <200306302237.18686.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <007601c33f17$90969050$2100a8c0@pccraig>

I remember a Quake II PowerPlay magazine with mods 'n' stuff on the
cover CD.
It included the PS/2 overclock utility. PS2rate.exe I think...
Was my mouse overclocked, you betcha!

CraigF

(Who has an overclocked Palm Vx just for the hell of it...)

-----Original Message-----
From: shuggnet-lanparty-bounces@shugg.net
[mailto:shuggnet-lanparty-bounces@shugg.net] On Behalf Of Karl Aloritias
Sent: Monday, 30 June 2003 10:37 PM
To: Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
Subject: Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Shiny new Mac stuff


On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:04, Andrew Shugg wrote:
<snip>

Back in the PS/2 days I knew people who'd overclocked[1] their mice to 
200Hz(!).  Subjective evaluation seemed to indicate that anything over 
100-120Hz didn't give any extra advantage, although 100Hz did seem to
give a 
noticeable advantage over 60Hz.

- Karl

------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
[0] Note that the 120-125Hz sample rate only applies to corded mice;
cordless 
mice typically sample at 35-45Hz, and even the most expensive ones are
lucky 
to hit 50Hz.  That's why gamers never use cordless mice (although some
also 
gripe about the batteries making the mouse too heavy for quick or 
fine-grained movement).

[1]  Yes, it's not only CPUs, motherboards and graphics cards that can
be 
overclocked.  Scary.
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From only_zildjian at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  1 03:05:12 2003
From: only_zildjian at hotmail.com (Stuart James)
Date: Tue Jul  1 03:09:27 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party!
References: <20030630221045.M491@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <Sea2-DAV40Kwm6MAlaO0004e0cd@hotmail.com>

Sorry Andrew, it seems that I can't make any of those days. You'll just have
to add this to the growing list of dates that I have not been able to commit
to in the past. As one consolation, I would like to indicate that this
growing tally may be representative of my own increasing probability for
receiving a diploma in trully unreasonable and sad bastardry. Let's just say
that this may eventually be used as evidence against me for which may be
punishable by sustained periodic death through insistent fragging....

Stuart

From andrew at shugg.net  Tue Jul  1 12:59:14 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Jul  1 13:01:36 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party!
In-Reply-To: <200306302238.17870.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 10:38:17PM +0800
References: <20030630221045.M491@shugg.net>
	<200306302238.17870.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030701125911.A1047@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> Well, I'm not.  For any of those dates.
> 
> - Karl

Is that Canberra IV?

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Tue Jul  1 13:53:29 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Tue Jul  1 13:55:00 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party!
In-Reply-To: <20030701125911.A1047@shugg.net>
References: <20030630221045.M491@shugg.net>
	<200306302238.17870.algernon@aloku.net> <20030701125911.A1047@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200307011353.29265.algernon@aloku.net>

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:59, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Karl:
> > Well, I'm not.  For any of those dates.
> >
> > - Karl
>
> Is that Canberra IV?
>
> Andrew.

Yep, so it rules out Joc as well.

And if you dare have a LAN without me, the trojan I've secretly installed all 
on your computers will activate, reformat your hard drives and replace your 
OSes!  Linux will be replaced with an old version of SCO OpenLinux! MacOS 
will be replaced with an obscure subvariant of NetBSD[0]! Windows... well, I 
tried hard to think of anything worse than Windows, but I couldn't, so 
Windows will remain - but it will be installed with Mirosoft Bob[1]!!! 
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't mind having a LAN soon after I come back.  I guess I could even 
host it here if nobody else volunteers a venue.  How about the 26th? 
(Although that should probably be pushed back a few weeks if there's one any 
sooner.)

- Karl

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[0] Are there actually any really crap OSes that run on the latest Macs?  I 
know there were beta versions of WinNT for PPC, but that was for PReP/CHRP 
platforms.  NetBSD was the worst I could think of, and it's not really that 
bad... damn it's hard being evil with alternate platforms!

[1] Okay, so that Microsoft Bob bit was a joke - even I'm not THAT evil :)

From ajones at clear.net.nz  Tue Jul  1 14:30:29 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Tue Jul  1 14:32:14 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party!
In-Reply-To: <200307011353.29265.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <20030630221045.M491@shugg.net> <20030701125911.A1047@shugg.net>
	<200307011353.29265.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030701063034.DB9B61C1CB@escher.takahe.net>

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On Tuesday 01 July 2003 13:53, you wrote:
> Yep, so it rules out Joc as well.
>
> And if you dare have a LAN without me, the trojan I've secretly installed
> all on your computers will activate, reformat your hard drives and replace
> your OSes!  Linux will be replaced with an old version of SCO OpenLinux!
> MacOS will be replaced with an obscure subvariant of NetBSD[0]! Windows...
> well, I tried hard to think of anything worse than Windows, but I couldn't,
> so Windows will remain - but it will be installed with Mirosoft Bob[1]!!!
> MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

You really need to try using Windows CE, or whatever they've renamed it to 
this week to try to shake off it's bad name (PocketPC?). The only OS I can 
think of which is actually worse than CE would perhaps be Windows 3.0 which 
was similarly flaky and broken. Atleast DOS and Windows 1.0 were kind of 
stable - of course Windows 1.0 was stable because it only ran Paint and Clock 
and that was about it.

Hopefully I'll be able to get vim compiled for OpenLinux otherwise I'll never 
get any work done.

> I wouldn't mind having a LAN soon after I come back.  I guess I could even
> host it here if nobody else volunteers a venue.  How about the 26th?
> (Although that should probably be pushed back a few weeks if there's one
> any sooner.)

Not that it matters too much (I don't have a cache of blue string and 
harmonicas) but I wouldn't be able to make it from the 25th of July and the 
10th of August as I will be on holday in Kiwiland.

Anthony
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From andrew at shugg.net  Sun Jul  6 12:15:07 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sun Jul  6 12:17:04 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party!
In-Reply-To: <20030701063034.DB9B61C1CB@escher.takahe.net>;
	from ajones@clear.net.nz on Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 02:30:29PM +0800
References: <20030630221045.M491@shugg.net> <20030701125911.A1047@shugg.net>
	<200307011353.29265.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20030701063034.DB9B61C1CB@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030706121505.A563@shugg.net>

Quoth Anthony:
> You really need to try using Windows CE, or whatever they've renamed it to 
> this week to try to shake off it's bad name (PocketPC?). The only OS I can 
> think of which is actually worse than CE would perhaps be Windows 3.0 which 
> was similarly flaky and broken. Atleast DOS and Windows 1.0 were kind of 
> stable - of course Windows 1.0 was stable because it only ran Paint and Clock 
> and that was about it.

I don't think I've had any experience with WinCE, but that's probably
not a bad thing.

> Hopefully I'll be able to get vim compiled for OpenLinux otherwise I'll never 
> get any work done.

I'm sure it's possible.  Otherwise you'll just have to use ed.

> > I wouldn't mind having a LAN soon after I come back.  I guess I could even
> > host it here if nobody else volunteers a venue.  How about the 26th?
> > (Although that should probably be pushed back a few weeks if there's one
> > any sooner.)
> 
> Not that it matters too much (I don't have a cache of blue string and 
> harmonicas) but I wouldn't be able to make it from the 25th of July and the 
> 10th of August as I will be on holday in Kiwiland.
> 
> Anthony

Harmonicas aren't necessary.  Glad to hear you're having a holiday but
I'm sorry that we can't have a LAN with both of you until August.  =/

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Jul  7 16:40:22 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Jul  7 16:44:18 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next LAN party!
In-Reply-To: <200307011353.29265.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 01:53:29PM +0800
References: <20030630221045.M491@shugg.net>
	<200306302238.17870.algernon@aloku.net> <20030701125911.A1047@shugg.net>
	<200307011353.29265.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030707164018.B563@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> And if you dare have a LAN without me, the trojan I've secretly installed all 
> on your computers will activate, reformat your hard drives and replace your 
> OSes!  Linux will be replaced with an old version of SCO OpenLinux! MacOS 
> will be replaced with an obscure subvariant of NetBSD[0]! Windows... well, I 
> tried hard to think of anything worse than Windows, but I couldn't, so 
> Windows will remain - but it will be installed with Mirosoft Bob[1]!!! 
> MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Now there's a threat.

> I wouldn't mind having a LAN soon after I come back.  I guess I could even 
> host it here if nobody else volunteers a venue.  How about the 26th? 
> (Although that should probably be pushed back a few weeks if there's one any 
> sooner.)
> 
> - Karl

Well it doesn't look as if I'm going to be holding one here, at least
not this week.  It's all too frenetic.  All over the place.  Argh.

Does Saturday July 26th work for other people, except Anthony?  (Sorry TJ.)

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [0] Are there actually any really crap OSes that run on the latest Macs?  I 
> know there were beta versions of WinNT for PPC, but that was for PReP/CHRP 
> platforms.  NetBSD was the worst I could think of, and it's not really that 
> bad... damn it's hard being evil with alternate platforms!

Not AFAIK.  It's all pretty good.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Jul 24 10:57:18 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jul 24 11:00:59 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party soon?
Message-ID: <20030724105716.A1183@shugg.net>

Hi all,

Karl suggested the 26th as a 'maybe' for a LAN party.  What's everyone's
availability like?  Pete and I have a gig in Subiaco on Sunday afternoon
so the 26th isn't really ideal for us, unless we show up late (>5pm).

Karl, what are you thinking?  Other people, what are you doing?  Talk!

=)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Thu Jul 24 11:15:35 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Jul 24 11:19:02 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party soon?
In-Reply-To: <20030724105716.A1183@shugg.net>
References: <20030724105716.A1183@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200307241115.35661.algernon@aloku.net>

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:57, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Karl suggested the 26th as a 'maybe' for a LAN party.  What's everyone's
> availability like?  Pete and I have a gig in Subiaco on Sunday afternoon
> so the 26th isn't really ideal for us, unless we show up late (>5pm).
>
> Karl, what are you thinking?  Other people, what are you doing?  Talk!

Thinking?  Me?  Huh?

Okay, I know I said the 26th as a maybe, but with one thing and another that 
seems to be a no-go (and it's a bit short notice now even without the other 
events).  How about we push it back a week, to next Saturday (the 2nd of 
August)?  What do people say to that?

- Karl

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Jul 24 11:48:51 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Jul 24 11:53:11 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party soon?
In-Reply-To: <200307241115.35661.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <20030724105716.A1183@shugg.net>
	<200307241115.35661.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030724034851.GA10849@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 24/07 11:15:35, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:57, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Karl suggested the 26th as a 'maybe' for a LAN party.  What's
> > everyone's availability like?  Pete and I have a gig in Subiaco on
> > Sunday afternoon so the 26th isn't really ideal for us, unless we
> > show up late (>5pm).
> >
> > Karl, what are you thinking?  Other people, what are you doing?

Currently I'm in the process of finding out why my ABN account has had
an annual report generated on it even though I didn't have anything to
do with it and I should have. Well, either that or I shouldn't have to
do an annual report at all. Apparently. Whatever it is, it's very
strange and the poor guy at the ATO I'm talking to is very puzzled by
it, poor chap :).

Maybe they're plotting to give me a surprise auditing and are
generating unnecessary reports as a preliminary. Oooh, the excitement.

*pause* Ahhh, hold music. Apparently my call is important to them, and
they'll be with me as soon as possible.

> > Talk!
> 
> Thinking?  Me?  Huh?

Come on Andrew - _you_ don't do that, what makes you think Karl would?
:)

> Okay, I know I said the 26th as a maybe, but with one thing and
> another that seems to be a no-go (and it's a bit short notice now
> even without the other events).  How about we push it back a week,
> to next Saturday (the 2nd of August)?  What do people say to that?

/me says yes.

Andrew's been spending far too much time unfragged, and I think I need
to help him sort out that problem.

> - Karl

*more pausing*

Well, it seems that they can't work out what on earth's been going on
with my account, so they're calling in The Specialist(tm) who will
contact me later. Eeeek. Run awaaaaaaaaay....


Pete the Fragging Is Much More Fun Than Business Activity Statements.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
I love the evolutionary biologists' way of talking about organisms as
if they're evolving on purpose: "I think I'll develop feathers now and
become a bird...", though in Perl's case, of course, there is some
amount of purpose in my head (some would say "not enough"), not to
mention the heads of other Perl developers (some would say "too much"
(or is it the other way around?)), but it's still great fun to talk
about Perl as if it were its own beastie, or as if it were a character
in a novel that runs away with the plot despite the intentions of the
author, kinda like this sentence has. -- Larry Wall on Perl evolution.
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Thu Jul 24 13:08:12 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Thu Jul 24 13:34:50 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party soon?
In-Reply-To: <20030724034851.GA10849@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <D31176BE-BD94-11D7-B83C-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

I can make both the 26th and the 2nd so whatever's good for other 
people.

"Hell is a room full of other people. No wait that's just Quake."

Cam
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down
to their level, then beat you with experience.

From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Mon Jul 21 06:33:59 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Thu Jul 24 13:59:57 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Back in business...
Message-ID: <003301c34f0f$053ccbc0$5ccd3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Hi all,

Well after my enforced absence of 3 months, I'm glad to say I'M BACK!!  Computer is up and running and shock horror I even have a working modem now! =)  Brace yourselves for the return of much spam and mindless drivel!  =)

-Dave.
-- 
Good judgment comes from experience. 
Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.
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From algernon at aloku.net  Mon Jul 28 19:00:25 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Mon Jul 28 19:03:06 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
Message-ID: <200307281900.25757.algernon@aloku.net>

Saturday 2nd of August (this Saturday).

Volunteers for a venue, anyone, or do I have to make it here?

- Karl

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Tue Jul 29 16:04:43 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Tue Jul 29 16:09:41 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <200307281900.25757.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <200307281900.25757.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030729080443.GB19324@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 28/07 19:00:25, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> Saturday 2nd of August (this Saturday).
> 
> Volunteers for a venue, anyone, or do I have to make it here?

You'll have to make it there.

Well, if you really can't then I might be able to host one here, but
from the brief conversation I had with you last night you sounded like
the land of Jocelyn and Karl should be quite available for a bit of
murderous LAN-slaughter on Saturday.

Mmmm, LAN-slaughter.

I'll bring along chef and cartman, but just the one monitor. If
someone wants to come along and bring a spare monitor+keyboard+moose
for themself then they can use cartman, otherwise we can use him as a
dedicated server or suchlike.

Mmmmm, dedicated servers.

And I think I'll make _sure_ that Half-Life is working on both
machines before getting there this time. ;-)

> - Karl

Mmmm, Quake 3 Fortress. I want to blow up some autosentries. Kaboom.

BTW, apparently Quake 3 "Urban Terror" version 3 is due to be released
on Saturday August 9, so just a week after this LP. Damn. ;-)

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
DWIM - Do What I Meant. It describes Perl's sometimes uncanny ability
to do what you actually meant to do rather than what you thought you
meant to tell Perl to think that you meant to tell it to do. Or
something like that.  -- Bernard El-Hagin in comp.lang.perl.misc
From andrew at shugg.net  Tue Jul 29 16:46:02 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Jul 29 16:50:04 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <200307281900.25757.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 07:00:25PM +0800
References: <200307281900.25757.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030729164600.B10797@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> Saturday 2nd of August (this Saturday).
> 
> Volunteers for a venue, anyone, or do I have to make it here?
> 
> - Karl

Are you volunteering your place then, or will you only grudgingly host a
LAN party as a final option?  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Jul 30 20:59:20 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Jul 30 21:05:43 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030729080443.GB19324@cartman.flooble.net.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 04:04:43PM +0800
References: <200307281900.25757.algernon@aloku.net>
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Quoth Peter:
> On 28/07 19:00:25, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> > Saturday 2nd of August (this Saturday).
> > 
> > Volunteers for a venue, anyone, or do I have to make it here?
> 
> You'll have to make it there.
> 
> Well, if you really can't then I might be able to host one here, but
> from the brief conversation I had with you last night you sounded like
> the land of Jocelyn and Karl should be quite available for a bit of
> murderous LAN-slaughter on Saturday.

So Karl's place it is, then, by the sounds of it.  Anyone else coming
apart from me and Pete?  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Jul 30 22:33:10 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Jul 30 22:35:34 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030730205917.A2462@shugg.net>
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On 30/07 20:59:20, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Peter:
> > On 28/07 19:00:25, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> > > Saturday 2nd of August (this Saturday).
> > > 
> > > Volunteers for a venue, anyone, or do I have to make it here?
[ ... ]
> > but from the brief conversation I had with you last night you
> > sounded like the land of Jocelyn and Karl should be quite
> > available for a bit of murderous LAN-slaughter on Saturday.
> 
> So Karl's place it is, then, by the sounds of it.  Anyone else
> coming apart from me and Pete?  =)

Well, there's Andrew and I... :)

> Andrew.

Come on Roger... Cameron... Jeremy... Toby... Wez... Anthony...
Lindsay... one of you pipe up and say you're coming along. Andrew and
I need someone else other than each other to kill, and I don't think I
can take too much more of the gleeful little bouncy grin Algernon does
when he's instagibbed and/or headshot me in UT/Counterstrike for the
fiftieth time.

*wry grin*

I don't think Karl's mentioned the address at JocelynKarlLand in his
last couple of emails, but from memory I think it's 69 Bramwell Road,
Noranda. Mmmm, Noranda. Normal starting time should be about 11am to
12noon, depending on how bright and early J&K feel like letting us in :-).

Pete.

PS. For those interested, I think we should start the pool for
"How-Late-Will-Andrew-Be-This-Time?" right now. Nominate a time (on
the hour) for a dollar, the time he arrives gets rounded to the
nearest nominated hour and the person(s) guessing that hour share the
pool. I'll put in one dollar for 6pm. ;-)
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
I never made a mistake in my life.  I thought I did once, but I was wrong.
		-- Lucy Van Pelt
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Wed Jul 30 22:42:20 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Wed Jul 30 22:44:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030730205917.A2462@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <063CDA20-C29C-11D7-A1B0-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

> So Karl's place it is, then, by the sounds of it.  Anyone else coming
> apart from me and Pete?  =)

Yes I'll be there. Also Matt said that he'll be there from about 4pm 
onwards.

Cam
--
"Oh, a lesson in changing history from Mister I'm-my-own-grandfather!"
-- Professor Farnsworth from Futurama

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Jul 30 22:52:31 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Jul 30 22:54:26 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <063CDA20-C29C-11D7-A1B0-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
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On 30/07 22:42:20, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> >So Karl's place it is, then, by the sounds of it.  Anyone else
> >coming apart from me and Pete?  =)
> 
> Yes I'll be there. Also Matt said that he'll be there from about 4pm
> onwards.

Ex-cellent *cackles evilly*.

So what's your nomination for Andrew's arrival time? :)

> Cam

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
If I had any humility I would be perfect.
		-- Ted Turner
From algernon at aloku.net  Wed Jul 30 23:01:49 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Wed Jul 30 23:03:07 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030730143310.GA1492@cartman.flooble.net.au>
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:33, Peter Wright wrote:
> > > but from the brief conversation I had with you last night you
> > > sounded like the land of Jocelyn and Karl should be quite
> > > available for a bit of murderous LAN-slaughter on Saturday.
> >
> > So Karl's place it is, then, by the sounds of it.  Anyone else
> > coming apart from me and Pete?  =)

Karl's place it is indeed.

> I don't think Karl's mentioned the address at JocelynKarlLand in his
> last couple of emails, but from memory I think it's 69 Bramwell Road,
> Noranda. Mmmm, Noranda. Normal starting time should be about 11am to
> 12noon, depending on how bright and early J&K feel like letting us in :-).

That is the correct address and starting time.  Doors open at 11am, especially 
if you want to do a bit of file sharing/patching/troubleshooting before 
everyone else arrives.  Oh, and the relevant phone numbers are 0408 892 699 
and 9375 6796.  There should be enough table space and chairs.

Pete, can you bring your switch?  It turns out mine really doesn't like those 
scummy obsolete 10mb connections (they get throttled to about 1/10th the 
normal speed), so if we have anyone who still isn't on 100mb we could use 
another switch for them to plug into.

All the usual yada yada... powerboards and blue string are provided for those 
without, the local network has DHCP and internet access, there's a local 
well-stocked ftp/samba server with all the latest stuff, there's a spare 
machine or two for those without (and even a spare 17-inch monitor available 
for the first one who e-mails dibs).

> PS. For those interested, I think we should start the pool for
> "How-Late-Will-Andrew-Be-This-Time?" right now. Nominate a time (on
> the hour) for a dollar, the time he arrives gets rounded to the
> nearest nominated hour and the person(s) guessing that hour share the
> pool. I'll put in one dollar for 6pm. ;-)

Damn... that's what I was going to choose!  Okay, I'll take 5pm :-)

- Karl

From jez at iinet.net.au  Wed Jul 30 23:12:16 2003
From: jez at iinet.net.au (Jeremy Ball)
Date: Wed Jul 30 23:27:54 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030730143310.GA1492@cartman.flooble.net.au>
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>Come on Roger... Cameron... Jeremy... Toby... Wez... Anthony...
>Lindsay... one of you pipe up and say you're coming along. 

Sorry guys, I'm booked for the next two weekends and then I'm off down
south to "see the baaaaaaby", who despite the constant nagging of it's
parents has reached four months old without being emotionally scarred for
life by seeing my deformed cranium.  And I've got the spankin' new game box
and all, just waiting to be cranked up.  :(

Does anyone play RtCW?  Mine and Anderoo's ex-boss Quark made a mod for it
which is supposed to be quite cool.  Next time I actually make it I'll
bring it along.  He's also working on a Quake 3 mod with some other people
that he's being all secret squirrel about too, the bastard.

And as me and Andrew seem to miss each other so well at these things, my
bet is he'll be there at 11am with bells on.  ;)

Pop some caps into Clan Bone for me y'all.

Jeremy, who will have no life until the day he dies.



----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Give them an inch, and they'll take a foot... 
 and soon you won't have a leg to stand on."       -Duke of Wellington

http://www.iinet.net.au/~jez
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Wed Jul 30 23:49:34 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Thu Jul 31 00:11:01 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
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> Pop some caps into Clan Bone for me y'all.

Its been a long time since Clan bone has been capped by Underlord... ;)  Methinks he is too cowardly to show his face!
Thus particular Clan Bone member is sorry to say he won't make it, just got too much other stuff to try and get done. =(

As for the "Guess Ham-Bone Arrival Time" pool, it needs elaborating.  Bets can be placed on:

* Time Andrew says he'll be there
* Time Andrew actually gets there
* Number of Jester's pies he will consume on the way
* Time he'll actually have his computer running
* Amount of time spent piss-farting about downloading various updates and patches
* Time he actually joins a LAN game
* Time before his machine crashes with a major compatability fault... and fails run anything for the rest of the night...

=)
Have a good day/night all... And frag that damn Algenoggogunenennorhoweverthehellyouspellit!

-Mr Hip Bone.
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Jul 31 00:24:04 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Jul 31 00:27:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
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On 30/07 23:01:49, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:33, Peter Wright wrote:
[ snip ]
> > PS. For those interested, I think we should start the pool for
> > "How-Late-Will-Andrew-Be-This-Time?" right now. Nominate a time (on
> > the hour) for a dollar, the time he arrives gets rounded to the
> > nearest nominated hour and the person(s) guessing that hour share the
> > pool. I'll put in one dollar for 6pm. ;-)
> 
> Damn... that's what I was going to choose!  Okay, I'll take 5pm :-)

You can take 6pm as well if you like, as well as 5pm. If 6pm ends up
being the winning hour, it just means you have to share the winnings
with me. :)

You could even put in two or three nominations for 6pm, then if 6pm
wins then you take an appropriate proportion (eg. I put in 1
nomination and you put in 3, you take 3/4==75% of the pool). Ooooh. :-)

> - Karl

I might put in a nomination for 3pm as well, just to cover myself a
bit better. So the current table (oooh - Jodes wants to make a
nomination too - I'll bring her cash along) looks something like:

===================================
Andrew   |
Arrival  |
Time@LAN | Nominations
-----------------------------------
11am     |
12pm     |
1pm      |
2pm      |
3pm      | Pete:$1
4pm      |
5pm      | Karl:$1
6pm      | Pete:$1
7pm      |
8pm      |
9pm      |
10pm     |
11pm     |
12am     | Jodes:$1
-----------------------------------
TOTAL    |
POOL     |
SO FAR   |       $4
===================================


So (currently) if Andrew arrives between 4pm and 5:30pm, Karl wins.
If he arrives earlier than 4pm or between 5:30-9pm, I win. If he
arrives after 9pm _or_ doesn't arrive before the LANparty finishes,
Jodes wins.

So, anyone feel like sticking their neck (and their money) out and
nominating one of the earlier times? *evil grin*

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
It is a sobering thought that when Mozart was my age, he had been
dead for two years.  -- Tom Lehrer
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Thu Jul 31 02:58:53 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Thu Jul 31 03:01:35 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030730145231.GA2141@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <DCFD3449-C2BF-11D7-9C43-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

> So what's your nomination for Andrew's arrival time? :)

I'm not going to bet on such a childish thing as the arrival time of 
Andrew. Do you think I'm so callous as to hurt poor Andrews feelings. 
What do you take me for?

...

Put me down for 4pm and 7pm.
Cam
--
"The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be 
a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the 
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" See 
http://astro.bu.edu/~avondale/Humor/MiscellaneousHumor/Warnings.html

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Jul 31 04:20:52 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Jul 31 04:26:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] 
	Andrew Arrival Time Pool (was Re: LAN party official announcement.)
In-Reply-To: <DCFD3449-C2BF-11D7-9C43-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
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On 31/07 02:58:53, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> Put me down for 4pm and 7pm.
> Cam

Done...

===================================
Andrew   |
Arrival  |
Time@LAN | Nominations
-----------------------------------
11am     |
12pm     |
1pm      |
2pm      |
3pm      | Pete:$1
4pm      | Cam:$1
5pm      | Karl:$1
6pm      | Pete:$1
7pm      | Cam:$1
8pm      |
9pm      |
10pm     |
11pm     |
12am     | Jodes:$1
-----------------------------------
TOTAL    |
POOL     |
SO FAR   |       $6
===================================


Anyone want to go for a time earlier than 3pm? Matt? Jocelyn? Kim?
Because at the moment if he _does_ arrive at any time before 3pm, I'll
be the closest estimate and will therefore take the pool.

And remember, you _can_ nominate for a time someone else has already
gone for - you just have to share the winnings with them if that
timeslot wins. For example, if you nominate $2 for 4pm and 4pm wins,
then you take 2/3 of the pool and Cam gets 1/3.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace that wasn't
immune to bullets.  -- The Brigadier, "Dr. Who"
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Jul 31 04:29:52 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Jul 31 04:40:16 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
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On 30/07 23:49:34, David Shugg wrote:
> > Pop some caps into Clan Bone for me y'all.
> 
> Its been a long time since Clan bone has been capped by Underlord...
> ;)  Methinks he is too cowardly to show his face!

*grin* One day, one day we shall see Mr Jeremy1 again at a LAN.
Until then I'll be happy to do what I can in the cap-popping-into-
HamBone-area for you, Mister Jem.

> Thus particular Clan Bone member is sorry to say he won't make it,
> just got too much other stuff to try and get done. =(

Bugger. Oh well, hope your other stuff works out well, and I'm sure
you'll be with us in spirit as we gang up on Algernon and blast him
senseless. ;-))

> As for the "Guess Ham-Bone Arrival Time" pool, it needs elaborating.
> Bets can be placed on:
[ snip other creative suggestions for HamBone lottery ]
> * Time before his machine crashes with a major compatability
> fault... and fails run anything for the rest of the night...
> 
> =)

Is HB likely to bring his own machine? I was going to loan him cartman
if he wanted/needed it, but I do recall him mentioning something about
cleaning up lilbluekeg recently - maybe he'll bring that. But if so, I
suspect the odds of it crashing are fairly low.

> Have a good day/night all... And frag that damn
> Algenoggogunenennorhoweverthehellyouspellit!

We'll do our best, but he can be a bit[0] of a pain in that respect. :(

> -Mr Hip Bone.

Pete.

[0] by which I mean "a lot". ;-)
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Catching up with all my email after the Ireland trip. Fortunately with
Marcelo now in charge I can be a bit more ruthless with the magic "d"
button (the elm 'read email quickly' feature).
		-- Alan Cox, 27/12/2001, http://www.linux.org.uk/diary/
From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Thu Jul 31 09:29:52 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Thu Jul 31 09:32:52 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137663@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


*sigh* I won't be able to make it guys, apologies.

I'd _like_ to say to somebody, "Hey, pop a few caps in ___'s arse for me"
... but based on my past efforts, a realistic request would be to ask,

"Please, on my behalf, don't get shot by snipers (UT, Mr. McFarlane),
targeted by missles (UT, Pete), or drive trucks off cliffs with passengers
(BF1942, Karl's place)."

While on the topic of multiplayer gaming, has anyone here played Ghost
Recon? I picked it up for the Xbox last week, and I haven't had so much fun
in yonks. It's even got co-op mission based link play, so you can hook up
multiple boxes & TV's (LAN gaming for Dummies ;-)

Cheers,

Tobes.

> ----------
> From: 	Peter Wright
> Reply To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Sent: 	Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:29 AM
> To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Subject: 	Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
> 
> On 30/07 23:49:34, David Shugg wrote:
> > > Pop some caps into Clan Bone for me y'all.
> > 
> > Its been a long time since Clan bone has been capped by Underlord...
> > ;)  Methinks he is too cowardly to show his face!
> 
> *grin* One day, one day we shall see Mr Jeremy1 again at a LAN.
> Until then I'll be happy to do what I can in the cap-popping-into-
> HamBone-area for you, Mister Jem.
> 
> > Thus particular Clan Bone member is sorry to say he won't make it,
> > just got too much other stuff to try and get done. =(
> 
> Bugger. Oh well, hope your other stuff works out well, and I'm sure
> you'll be with us in spirit as we gang up on Algernon and blast him
> senseless. ;-))
> 
> > As for the "Guess Ham-Bone Arrival Time" pool, it needs elaborating.
> > Bets can be placed on:
> [ snip other creative suggestions for HamBone lottery ]
> > * Time before his machine crashes with a major compatability
> > fault... and fails run anything for the rest of the night...
> > 
> > =)
> 
> Is HB likely to bring his own machine? I was going to loan him cartman
> if he wanted/needed it, but I do recall him mentioning something about
> cleaning up lilbluekeg recently - maybe he'll bring that. But if so, I
> suspect the odds of it crashing are fairly low.
> 
> > Have a good day/night all... And frag that damn
> > Algenoggogunenennorhoweverthehellyouspellit!
> 
> We'll do our best, but he can be a bit[0] of a pain in that respect. :(
> 
> > -Mr Hip Bone.
> 
> Pete.
> 
> [0] by which I mean "a lot". ;-)
> -- 
> http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
> Catching up with all my email after the Ireland trip. Fortunately with
> Marcelo now in charge I can be a bit more ruthless with the magic "d"
> button (the elm 'read email quickly' feature).
> 		-- Alan Cox, 27/12/2001, http://www.linux.org.uk/diary/
>     
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>     
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>     
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> 
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Jul 31 10:36:08 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jul 31 10:44:42 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030730143310.GA1492@cartman.flooble.net.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:33:10PM +0800
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Quoth Peter:
> Come on Roger... Cameron... Jeremy... Toby... Wez... Anthony...
> Lindsay... one of you pipe up and say you're coming along.

Anthony's on holidays in NZ so he can't make it.  =(

Hopefully Roger and Lindsay can be there, though I can't remember if
they're on the mailing list still.  I'll go and have a look.  And Ken.
He's going to be a dad in a few weeks and that's going to play hell with
his social schedule ... he should play some games now while he has a
chance.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Jul 31 10:40:02 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jul 31 11:26:34 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: 
	<A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137663@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>; from
	TobyO@screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au on Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:29:52AM +0800
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137663@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
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Quoth Toby:
> *sigh* I won't be able to make it guys, apologies.

Not good enough, Corporal Tobes.  You'd better turn up to one sometime
soon, you've got a reputation to protect.  =)

> I'd _like_ to say to somebody, "Hey, pop a few caps in ___'s arse for me"
> ... but based on my past efforts, a realistic request would be to ask,
> 
> "Please, on my behalf, don't get shot by snipers (UT, Mr. McFarlane),
> targeted by missles (UT, Pete), or drive trucks off cliffs with passengers
> (BF1942, Karl's place)."

Heh.  Over the last four years (!!!!) I've been trying to help Pete to
overcome his rocket allergy in UT with repeated exposures, but the
dosages just haven't been high enough to make a difference.

> While on the topic of multiplayer gaming, has anyone here played Ghost
> Recon? I picked it up for the Xbox last week, and I haven't had so much fun
> in yonks. It's even got co-op mission based link play, so you can hook up
> multiple boxes & TV's (LAN gaming for Dummies ;-)

Nope, but I'm guessing we need to have another LAN day soon so we can
try this out.  Where do we get more Xboxes from?  Can the Xbox Ghost
Recon do multiplayer with Macs and PCs?

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Thu Jul 31 11:41:49 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Thu Jul 31 14:11:31 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD0213766E@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


A bone said:

> Not good enough, Corporal Tobes.  You'd better turn up to one sometime
> soon, you've got a reputation to protect.  =)
> 
Ah, yeah, can't have anyone robbing me of my rightful title of "Most
exploded LAN gamer."


> > I'd _like_ to say to somebody, "Hey, pop a few caps in ___'s arse for
> me"
> > ... but based on my past efforts, a realistic request would be to ask,
> > 
> > "Please, on my behalf, don't get shot by snipers (UT, Mr. McFarlane),
> > targeted by missles (UT, Pete), or drive trucks off cliffs with
> passengers
> > (BF1942, Karl's place)."
> 
> Heh.  Over the last four years (!!!!)
> 
Look who's talking Mister "People-are-taking-bets-on-when-I'll-turn-up."
Shugg. ;-p


> > While on the topic of multiplayer gaming, has anyone here played Ghost
> > Recon? I picked it up for the Xbox last week, and I haven't had so much
> fun
> > in yonks. It's even got co-op mission based link play, so you can hook
> up
> > multiple boxes & TV's (LAN gaming for Dummies ;-)
> 
> Nope, but I'm guessing we need to have another LAN day soon so we can
> try this out.  Where do we get more Xboxes from?  Can the Xbox Ghost
> Recon do multiplayer with Macs and PCs?
> 
Well, you have to buy an Xbox ($320), and a copy of the game ($100).
Unfortunately I don't think Xboxes will talk games with PC's. There _is_ a
free playable demo for PC though ...

T.
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Thu Jul 31 12:07:10 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Thu Jul 31 14:36:48 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030731103958.B1342@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <751C28E4-C30C-11D7-8822-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

> Nope, but I'm guessing we need to have another LAN day soon so we can
> try this out.  Where do we get more Xboxes from?  Can the Xbox Ghost
> Recon do multiplayer with Macs and PCs?

Maybe, if you were to install linux on the xbox first. But then you 
could only run the server. Ok, make the xbox the server and it'll be 
fine.

Trust me, I'm a professional.
Cam
--
Recorded in the digital domain by an analog brain.

From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Thu Jul 31 13:08:22 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Thu Jul 31 15:06:42 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137673@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


I have no intention of screwing around with my Xbox hardware. I am certainly
never bringing it to a LAN party unless I have written confirmation from
Pete that no flavour of Linux would be installed on it, 'as it might be fun
to try.' *heh heh*

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Cameron MacFarland
> Reply To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Sent: 	Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Subject: 	Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
> 
> > Nope, but I'm guessing we need to have another LAN day soon so we can
> > try this out.  Where do we get more Xboxes from?  Can the Xbox Ghost
> > Recon do multiplayer with Macs and PCs?
> 
> Maybe, if you were to install linux on the xbox first. But then you 
> could only run the server. Ok, make the xbox the server and it'll be 
> fine.
> 
> Trust me, I'm a professional.
> Cam
> --
> Recorded in the digital domain by an analog brain.
> 
>     
> /*  
>     
>     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>     
>     Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
>     message goes to everybody).
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> 
From wez at raez.net  Thu Jul 31 13:59:33 2003
From: wez at raez.net (WEZ!)
Date: Thu Jul 31 17:01:35 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: 
 <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137673@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
References: 
 <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137673@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
Message-ID: <p05010402bb4e60655f3d@[192.168.1.249]>

can't see me making it either guys

i may just drop in to say hi at some point but wont be dragging the 
machine with me this time.

getting into ta bit of some older games at the moment. Diablo 2 again 
and Myth 2 which is one of my all time favourite strat games :)

May see you fellas there

WEZ!
From jez at iinet.net.au  Thu Jul 31 21:53:19 2003
From: jez at iinet.net.au (Jeremy Ball)
Date: Thu Jul 31 22:10:06 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137663@perexch01.mca.wa.
 gov.au>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030731215319.00a59088@mail.iinet.net.au>

>While on the topic of multiplayer gaming, has anyone here played
>Ghost Recon? I picked it up for the Xbox last week, and I haven't
>had so much fun in yonks. It's even got co-op mission based link
>play, so you can hook up multiple boxes & TV's (LAN gaming for 
>Dummies ;-)

Ghost Recon is most exxxxcellent.  Nothing like lying on your belly
watching for bad hats on the horizon when the grass and trees are moving in
the breeze being nice and distracting.  :)     

I've played plenty of co-op, but what I want to know is if you have enough
people can you play team onto team like in Counterstrike?  <hint hint>  I'm
sure you can cause I've seen game rooms with 30 people in them, and they
couldn't all be on the same side...

I see I'll have to try and get a copy of 1942 before the next game day so I
can join in!

Jeremy.



----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Give them an inch, and they'll take a foot... 
 and soon you won't have a leg to stand on."       -Duke of Wellington

http://www.iinet.net.au/~jez
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Thu Jul 31 22:27:30 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Thu Jul 31 22:39:05 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
References: <3.0.6.32.20030731215319.00a59088@mail.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <003101c3576f$e07164e0$90a93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

> I see I'll have to try and get a copy of 1942 before the next game day so I
> can join in!
> 
That... And finding a weekend that is free Mr Ball.
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Jul 31 23:29:55 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jul 31 23:31:41 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Armagetron!
Message-ID: <20030731232952.B3600@shugg.net>

This looks like fun as a warm-up thing at a LAN party.  =)

  http://armagetron.sourceforge.net/

Basically it's a Tron clone in 3D, looks nice, and runs on Linux and
Windows with Mac OS X "coming soon".

The licensing bigots will be happy that it's a free software project.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Jul 31 23:43:30 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Jul 31 23:44:44 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030730143310.GA1492@cartman.flooble.net.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:33:10PM +0800
References: <200307281900.25757.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20030729080443.GB19324@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030730205917.A2462@shugg.net>
	<20030730143310.GA1492@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030731234328.G1342@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> PS. For those interested, I think we should start the pool for
> "How-Late-Will-Andrew-Be-This-Time?" right now. Nominate a time (on
> the hour) for a dollar, the time he arrives gets rounded to the
> nearest nominated hour and the person(s) guessing that hour share the
> pool. I'll put in one dollar for 6pm. ;-)

Am I eligible to be in on this pool too?

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Aug  1 03:37:16 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Aug  1 03:41:28 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030731234328.G1342@shugg.net>
References: <200307281900.25757.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20030729080443.GB19324@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030730205917.A2462@shugg.net>
	<20030730143310.GA1492@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030731234328.G1342@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030731193716.GH2141@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 31/07 23:43:30, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Peter:
> > PS. For those interested, I think we should start the pool for
> > "How-Late-Will-Andrew-Be-This-Time?" right now. Nominate a time
> > (on the hour) for a dollar, the time he arrives gets rounded to
> > the nearest nominated hour and the person(s) guessing that hour
> > share the pool. I'll put in one dollar for 6pm. ;-)
> 
> Am I eligible to be in on this pool too?

Well, I was thinking about that, and my primary conclusion was "well,
it'd be really really funny if you entered and didn't win..." ;-)

But no, it's probably best that you didn't. After all,
<straightface>when you consider the HYOOOGE amounts of money we're
dealing with here</straightface>, we should try to keep it as
``honest''[0] as possible.

:)

> Andrew.

Tell you what though, I'll buy you a drink if I win. That is,
presuming my winnings are enough to afford one... *grin*

Pete.

[0] think Doctor Evil and ``laser'' here. :)
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Shhh... be vewy, vewy, quiet!  I'm hunting wabbits...
From rfarcich at iprimus.com.au  Fri Aug  1 10:29:05 2003
From: rfarcich at iprimus.com.au (rfarcich@iprimus.com.au)
Date: Fri Aug  1 10:33:45 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Armagetron!
In-Reply-To: <20030731232952.B3600@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <3F1ED4DC00003191@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au>

Aha. Roger and I have already discovered the many many pointless joys of
Armagetron. Split-screen action, droning noises. Perfect entertainment, for
when you don't care that your life is ticking away :) 

- Raif (bzzzzzzzzzzzz)

>-- Original Message --
>Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:29:55 +0800
>From: Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
>To: ShuggNet LANParty List <shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net>
>Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Armagetron!
>Reply-To: "Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties." <shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net>
>
>
>This looks like fun as a warm-up thing at a LAN party.  =)
>
>  http://armagetron.sourceforge.net/
>
>Basically it's a Tron clone in 3D, looks nice, and runs on Linux and
>Windows with Mac OS X "coming soon".
>
>The licensing bigots will be happy that it's a free software project.
>
>Andrew.
>
>-- 
>Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/
>
>"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
>enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
>    
>/*  
>    
>    This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>    
>    Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
>    message goes to everybody).
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>    
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>    
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From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Fri Aug  1 10:46:09 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Fri Aug  1 10:52:40 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD0213767D@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>

> ----------
> From: 	Jeremy Ball
> Reply To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Sent: 	Friday, August 1, 2003 5:53 AM
> To: 	shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net
> Subject: 	RE: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
> 
> Ghost Recon is most exxxxcellent.  Nothing like lying on your belly
> watching for bad hats on the horizon when the grass and trees are moving
> in
> the breeze being nice and distracting.  :)     
> 
I think of it as FPS gaming with a quiet, paranoid edge ... and no jump
button. :)


> I've played plenty of co-op, but what I want to know is if you have enough
> people can you play team onto team like in Counterstrike?  <hint hint>
> I'm
> sure you can cause I've seen game rooms with 30 people in them, and they
> couldn't all be on the same side...
> 
I'm not sure about the PC version, but you can in the Xbox version.

T.

P.S. BF1942 was hellishly good fun ... probably the best LAN experience I've
had thus far, although the fun I had could have been attributed to the
people I was playing with ... nah. ;-p
From andrew at shugg.net  Fri Aug  1 10:50:35 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug  1 11:27:46 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Armagetron!
In-Reply-To: <3F1ED4DC00003191@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au>;
	from rfarcich@iprimus.com.au on Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 10:29:05AM +0800
References: <20030731232952.B3600@shugg.net>
	<3F1ED4DC00003191@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030801105034.A801@shugg.net>

Quoth Raif:
> Aha. Roger and I have already discovered the many many pointless joys of
> Armagetron. Split-screen action, droning noises. Perfect entertainment, for
> when you don't care that your life is ticking away :) 
> 
> - Raif (bzzzzzzzzzzzz)

Excellent!  You guys should come to the LAN party then.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From rogerhicks at iinet.net.au  Fri Aug  1 23:09:50 2003
From: rogerhicks at iinet.net.au (Roger Hicks)
Date: Fri Aug  1 23:21:21 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party official announcement.
In-Reply-To: <20030731103606.A1342@shugg.net>
References: <200307281900.25757.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20030729080443.GB19324@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030730205917.A2462@shugg.net>
	<20030730143310.GA1492@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030731103606.A1342@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <3F2A82BE.50603@iinet.net.au>

Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Peter:
> 
>>Come on Roger... Cameron... Jeremy... Toby... Wez... Anthony...
>>Lindsay... one of you pipe up and say you're coming along.
> 
> 
> Anthony's on holidays in NZ so he can't make it.  =(
> 
> Hopefully Roger and Lindsay can be there, though I can't remember if
> they're on the mailing list still.  I'll go and have a look.  And Ken.
> He's going to be a dad in a few weeks and that's going to play hell with
> his social schedule ... he should play some games now while he has a
> chance.  =)

Reading too many emails at work, not reading enough at home :)

What's really lame is that Andrew's mention of Armagetron is tempting me :)

Roger

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Mon Aug  4 15:03:02 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Mon Aug  4 15:08:07 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
Message-ID: <20030804070302.GF2168@cartman>


I would just like to say the following:

Mmmmm, Armagetron.

Mmmmm, Quake 3 Jailbreak.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BzFlag... :-)))

(who would have thought that such a "simple" game would prove so
maddeningly addictive? and have the side benefit of driving Algernon
temporarily insane? *evil grin*)


And I'd also like to say this:

Argh. Cars. *wry grin*


Pete of the Dysfunctional Magic[0], Who Is Still Not Very Happy But At
Least Is Driving Again, Sort Of.

[0] My car's name.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
All programmers are optimists.  Perhaps this modern sorcery especially attracts
those who believe in happy endings and fairy godmothers.  Perhaps the hundreds
of nitty frustrations drive away all but those who habitually focus on the end
goal.  Perhaps it is merely that computers are young, programmers are younger,
and the young are always optimists.  But however the selection process works,
the result is indisputable:  "This time it will surely run," or "I just found
the last bug."   -- Frederick Brooks, "The Mythical Man Month"
From andrew at shugg.net  Tue Aug  5 17:40:58 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Aug  5 17:43:49 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party 02/08/2003 round-up
Message-ID: <20030805174056.E1540@shugg.net>

Hi all,

Well there's not really a lot to say except that it was very good, we
had a lot of fun, and big thanks to Karl and Jocelyn for hosting us!

For those who were not there, you missed out!  I hope you can come to
the next one.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Aug  7 12:05:38 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Aug  7 12:09:00 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
In-Reply-To: <20030804070302.GF2168@cartman>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 03:03:02PM +0800
References: <20030804070302.GF2168@cartman>
Message-ID: <20030807120535.C635@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> I would just like to say the following:
> 
> Mmmmm, Armagetron.

Yeah, it was fun.

> Mmmmm, Quake 3 Jailbreak.

That was fun too.  More fun than Armagetron for me, possibly because my
fast-twitch reflexes don't seem to be as good as the other people who
were playing.

> MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BzFlag... :-)))
> 
> (who would have thought that such a "simple" game would prove so
> maddeningly addictive? and have the side benefit of driving Algernon
> temporarily insane? *evil grin*)

And how much fun was that?!?!?  We must get together again soon, for
more BzFlag action.  Woot.  =)

For those who don't have it yet, grab version 1.7g2 from here:

  http://bzflag.sf.net/

It's not a very big download - only about 3MB I think it was - and is
available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X.

Also a big fan of the Urban Terror mod, so here's the inevitable
question: when can we have another LAN party?  =)

I did get an offer from a friend who's not on this list to host a LAN
day at his house, somewhere south of the river; I asked here if anyone
would be interested but didn't get a response.  Any interest?  Other
offers?  How about a "Welcome Back Anthony" LAN party.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Aug  7 13:04:26 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Aug  7 13:17:10 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
In-Reply-To: <20030807120535.C635@shugg.net>
References: <20030804070302.GF2168@cartman> <20030807120535.C635@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030807050426.GI20472@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 07/08 12:05:38, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Peter:
> > I would just like to say the following:
> > 
> > Mmmmm, Armagetron.
> 
> Yeah, it was fun.

For a little while. I wouldn't like to play it for more than maybe 30
minutes at a time, it'd get a bit too repetitive. But it's not bad in
short stints.

> > Mmmmm, Quake 3 Jailbreak.
> 
> That was fun too.

Especially that one 3 vs 3 game where 8 "captures" won the match...
and both teams were sitting on 7... ooh, the tension...

Cool thing about Q3Jailbreak (other than it being just a good team
game) is that most of the maps are a good size for small teams.
I also like a game that gives you a good incentive to _stay_alive_,
not just to kill others... and Jailbreak certainly does that. :)

> More fun than Armagetron for me, possibly because my fast-twitch
> reflexes don't seem to be as good as the other people who were
> playing.

*twitch* *twitch*

In the UT-Instagib games we were playing, I tended to twitch pretty
impressively, but just wasn't terribly accurate... :)

Algernon (Karl) is quite scary in UT-Instagib when he hits his stride.
Riken (Cam) isn't too bad either.

> > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BzFlag... :-)))
> > 
> > (who would have thought that such a "simple" game would prove so
> > maddeningly addictive? and have the side benefit of driving Algernon
> > temporarily insane? *evil grin*)
> 
> And how much fun was that?!?!?  We must get together again soon, for
> more BzFlag action.  Woot.  =)

Nothing that quite matches the feeling of "jumping" to avoid a shot
from another tank (as you know, tanks can jump very high *grin*)...
and then going "ohhhh shiiitttt" as you steadily fall back to the
ground and you realise the other tank is still sitting there,
recharged, sights locked on you... and has just sent off another shot
that will intersect with your path just as you hit the ground. Dammit.

Unlike virtually all the other first-person-shooter games we play at
LANs, BzFlag has absolutely *zero* "air control" - ie. you can't do
silly things like change your arc of ascent/descent like in Quake3 and
Unreal Tournament. You jump at a certain velocity, you'll just arc
through the air (spinning) and then land, and you can't do anything
but sit and wait.

And I find it's quite interesting without that control - teaches you
to respect that the jump makes you *really* helpless, you end up being
a sitting duck for anyone (even someone right across the map) with a
reasonable aim and sense of timing.

And some of the flag effects (bonus power objects) are very very cute.
The cries of terror you'd hear when someone'd managed to grab a
"laser" effect flag were very entertaining.

> For those who don't have it yet, grab version 1.7g2 from here:
> 
>   http://bzflag.sf.net/
> 
> It's not a very big download - only about 3MB I think it was - and
> is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X.

There are a fair few extra maps available too - for example, at
http://www.lans-web.com/bzflag/maps.htm

I haven't tried out any of them yet, but will do soon.

Note to those who weren't at the LP where we played BzFlag - all the
time we spent on the game was only on _two_ maps (one for the
all-vs-all deathmatching, one for the capture-the-flag).

> Also a big fan of the Urban Terror mod, so here's the inevitable
> question: when can we have another LAN party?  =)
[ snip ]
> Any interest?  Other offers?  How about a "Welcome Back Anthony" LAN
> party.  =)

I'll be happy to hold one here sometime after this weekend.

*checks calendar*

Anyone up for the 30th/31st (of August)?

> Andrew.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Right now, you're giving the impression of someone who couldn't
recognize a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked
on a harpsichord singing 'subtle plans are here again'.
	-- Gary Callison (aka Huey) on news.admin.net-abuse.email
From algernon at aloku.net  Thu Aug  7 14:40:09 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Aug  7 14:42:26 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
In-Reply-To: <20030807050426.GI20472@cartman.flooble.net.au>
References: <20030804070302.GF2168@cartman> <20030807120535.C635@shugg.net>
	<20030807050426.GI20472@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <200308071440.09148.algernon@aloku.net>

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:04, Peter Wright wrote:
> > Also a big fan of the Urban Terror mod, so here's the inevitable
> > question: when can we have another LAN party?  =)
>
> [ snip ]
>
> > Any interest?  Other offers?  How about a "Welcome Back Anthony" LAN
> > party.  =)
>
> I'll be happy to hold one here sometime after this weekend.
>
> *checks calendar*
>
> Anyone up for the 30th/31st (of August)?

Yeah, I'll be up for that.  Wez?  Anthony? Roger?  Tobes?  We going to see you 
at a LAN anytime soon?  :)

- Karl

From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Thu Aug  7 15:12:13 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Thu Aug  7 15:11:52 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD021376D6@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


Hmm, and I've just purchased a Hyundai 17" LCD for $700, so moving my box
isn't the pain it used to be.

I'll  say I'm a tentative yes for half a day's worth of mindless carnage
around the 30th. :)

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Karl Aloritias
> Reply To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Sent: 	Thursday, August 7, 2003 14:40 PM
> To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Subject: 	Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
> 
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:04, Peter Wright wrote:
> > > Also a big fan of the Urban Terror mod, so here's the inevitable
> > > question: when can we have another LAN party?  =)
> >
> > [ snip ]
> >
> > > Any interest?  Other offers?  How about a "Welcome Back Anthony" LAN
> > > party.  =)
> >
> > I'll be happy to hold one here sometime after this weekend.
> >
> > *checks calendar*
> >
> > Anyone up for the 30th/31st (of August)?
> 
> Yeah, I'll be up for that.  Wez?  Anthony? Roger?  Tobes?  We going to see
> you 
> at a LAN anytime soon?  :)
> 
> - Karl
> 
>     
> /*  
>     
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>     
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>     
> */  
> 
> 
From wez at raez.net  Thu Aug  7 16:19:45 2003
From: wez at raez.net (WEZ!)
Date: Thu Aug  7 16:22:01 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
In-Reply-To: <200308071440.09148.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <20030804070302.GF2168@cartman>
 <20030807120535.C635@shugg.net>
 <20030807050426.GI20472@cartman.flooble.net.au>
 <200308071440.09148.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <p05010400bb57bbf702c5@[192.168.1.249]>

yeah i have been going to any lans of late

and seem rather hectic to make it in the near future.

but we'll see

WEZ!
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Thu Aug  7 13:00:31 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Fri Aug  8 14:21:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
In-Reply-To: <20030807120535.C635@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <12233C28-C894-11D7-BF64-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Peter:
>> MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BzFlag... :-)))
>>
>> (who would have thought that such a "simple" game would prove so
>> maddeningly addictive? and have the side benefit of driving Algernon
>> temporarily insane? *evil grin*)
>
> And how much fun was that?!?!?  We must get together again soon, for
> more BzFlag action.  Woot.  =)
>
> For those who don't have it yet, grab version 1.7g2 from here:
>
>   http://bzflag.sf.net/

Cool - Except that it's grumpy on my powerbook with an external monitor 
:<

> Also a big fan of the Urban Terror mod, so here's the inevitable
> question: when can we have another LAN party?  =)

I may be silly enough to offer once my house extensions are complete in 
a couple of months...

My PC may even have arrived by then!

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From andrew at shugg.net  Fri Aug  8 17:51:37 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug  8 17:54:50 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
In-Reply-To: 
	<A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD021376D6@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>; from
	TobyO@screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au on Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:12:13PM +0800
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD021376D6@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20030808175134.A1302@shugg.net>

Quoth Toby:
> Hmm, and I've just purchased a Hyundai 17" LCD for $700, so moving my
> box isn't the pain it used to be.

Way to go Tobes!  Cheaper than a 17" PowerBook.

> I'll  say I'm a tentative yes for half a day's worth of mindless carnage
> around the 30th. :)
> 
> T.

The 30th ... hmm, I thought I had something on, but I don't see anything
in my diary.  (Yes I am attempting to keep a diary now.  Yay iCal.)  So
I'm up for the 30th too.  The 16th would be better though because it's a
whole lot closer.  =)

Andrew, wishing he had an iBook to take to PUCS camp this weekend to
play BZFlag ...

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Fri Aug  8 19:14:48 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug  8 19:32:30 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD021376D6@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
	<20030808175134.A1302@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <009001c35d9e$4a994340$79cd3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

> The 30th ... hmm, I thought I had something on, but I don't see anything
> in my diary.  (Yes I am attempting to keep a diary now.  Yay iCal.)  So
> I'm up for the 30th too.  The 16th would be better though because it's a
> whole lot closer.  =)

Put Mr Hip Bone for a tentative 'yes' as well...  Nothing written on the calendar that I can see... =)

Anyone out there got Vietcong?  I haven't tried the multiplayer side of it, but its has been said that its rather good. =)

-Hip.
From andrew at shugg.net  Sun Aug 10 00:12:14 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sun Aug 10 00:14:54 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
In-Reply-To: <009001c35d9e$4a994340$79cd3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>;
	from dshugg@iinet.net.au on Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 07:14:48PM +0800
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD021376D6@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
	<20030808175134.A1302@shugg.net>
	<009001c35d9e$4a994340$79cd3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030810001210.A1360@shugg.net>

Quoth David:
> Put Mr Hip Bone for a tentative 'yes' as well...  Nothing written on
> the calendar that I can see... =)

Cool, we'll have to invite Scott a.k.a. Funny Bone as well; if you're
going to see him in the next few days could you let him know about it?
I'll try to remember to send him an email.

> Anyone out there got Vietcong?  I haven't tried the multiplayer side
> of it, but its has been said that its rather good. =)

Nope.  We'll have to arrange a demonstration.  I don't suppose there are
Linux or Mac versions though ... which will cut out a few of us.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Sun Aug 10 14:57:40 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Sun Aug 10 15:09:16 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Mmmmm... Aaarggghhhh....
References: 
	<A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD021376D6@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au><20030808175134.A1302@shugg.net><009001c35d9e$4a994340$79cd3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030810001210.A1360@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <000901c35f0c$b1bd10f0$8ebc3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

> Cool, we'll have to invite Scott a.k.a. Funny Bone as well; if you're
> going to see him in the next few days could you let him know about it?
> I'll try to remember to send him an email.

Actually, its Driza-Bone, but no matter... ;)  He is back at uni now, and got a very hectic schedule... so I doubt he'd be able to make it.  Can always ask I suppose.

> Nope.  We'll have to arrange a demonstration.  I don't suppose there are
> Linux or Mac versions though ... which will cut out a few of us.

Not as far as I'm aware.

-Mr Hip Bone. 
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Tue Aug 12 00:27:02 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:31:09 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag server... Ken? Andrew?
Message-ID: <20030811162702.GI27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>


I think both Ken and Andrew said that they might be able to set up
BZFlag server on a machine with a bit of bandwidth somewhere...

...either of you had a chance to have a bash at that yet?

Or have you been busy with more important things... (tsk tsk, like
there could be anything more important than setting up a BZFlag server
for the people on this mailing list... :-))


Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Tue Aug 12 10:25:01 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Tue Aug 12 10:27:16 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag server... Ken? Andrew?
In-Reply-To: <20030811162702.GI27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <2D3517D8-CC6C-11D7-BF8C-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 12:27 AM, Peter Wright wrote:
> I think both Ken and Andrew said that they might be able to set up
> BZFlag server on a machine with a bit of bandwidth somewhere...
>
> ...either of you had a chance to have a bash at that yet?

Umm, yes..  I haven't configured it al all...

> Or have you been busy with more important things... (tsk tsk, like
> there could be anything more important than setting up a BZFlag server
> for the people on this mailing list... :-))

It's at ken.highway1.com.au

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From algernon at aloku.net  Tue Aug 12 11:50:11 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Tue Aug 12 11:53:03 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag server... Ken? Andrew?
In-Reply-To: <2D3517D8-CC6C-11D7-BF8C-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
References: <2D3517D8-CC6C-11D7-BF8C-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <200308121150.11153.algernon@aloku.net>

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:25, Ken Taylor wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 12:27 AM, Peter Wright wrote:
> > I think both Ken and Andrew said that they might be able to set up
> > BZFlag server on a machine with a bit of bandwidth somewhere...
>
> It's at ken.highway1.com.au

No-one else on there yet, I note.  Anyone joining?

- Karl

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Aug 13 01:04:21 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Aug 13 01:07:14 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag server... Ken? Andrew?
In-Reply-To: <200308121150.11153.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <2D3517D8-CC6C-11D7-BF8C-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
	<200308121150.11153.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030812170421.GN27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 12/08 11:50:11, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:25, Ken Taylor wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 12:27 AM, Peter Wright wrote:
> > > I think both Ken and Andrew said that they might be able to set up
> > > BZFlag server on a machine with a bit of bandwidth somewhere...
> >
> > It's at ken.highway1.com.au
> 
> No-one else on there yet, I note.  Anyone joining?

Well, about 10-20 minutes ago Karl, Roger and I finished a rather
lengthy free-for-all BzFlag match on Ken's server. Jodes even joined
us for a bit (and derived both great glee from blasting the crap out
of Karl and Roger, as well as great irritation when she got blasted in
return ;-).

I think I'd like to have the jumping option back again, I'm finding it
too damn hard to dodge people when I'm trapped on the ground. Although
as previously mentioned, being able to jump just sets your attacker up
for an easy shot as you fall to the ground again... *wry grin*.

Karl was the victor of that little deathmatch - I think he ended up
with about +35 (120-ish kills, 85-ish deaths), while I was only about
+6 or so. Can't remember what Roger got, but I remember far too many
one-on-one duels with Roger where we were both frantically
manuevering back and forth and around and desperately hoping to not
drive straight into the other's line of fire after they've finished
reloading....

Damn you and your manouevreabililiity, Roger. ;-)

> - Karl

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
> I thought that was personal preference(sp?). Some people top post,
> some people bottom post.
Yes, in the sense that some people piss in the swimming pool, and some
people prefer to use the restroom.  -- David Wall on alt.fan.cecil-adams
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Wed Aug 13 12:04:36 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Wed Aug 13 12:06:54 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag server... Ken? Andrew?
In-Reply-To: <20030812170421.GN27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <408BBEF3-CD43-11D7-B227-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 01:04 AM, Peter Wright wrote:
> Well, about 10-20 minutes ago Karl, Roger and I finished a rather
> lengthy free-for-all BzFlag match on Ken's server.

Cool - so it works then...

> I think I'd like to have the jumping option back again,

OK - I'll read up on configuring the server for a few different options 
- I might even run more than one server on different ports so that we 
can have different games..

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From algernon at aloku.net  Wed Aug 13 22:39:42 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Wed Aug 13 22:48:08 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
Message-ID: <200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net>

For those who get this in time, there is an impromptu Bzflag match happening 
now (22:45, or 10:45 pm) (Wednesday 13/08/03) on Ken's server 
(ken.highway1.com.au).  Lasting till whenever.  Come one, come all!

- Karl

From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 13 22:59:59 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Wed Aug 13 23:18:51 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
References: <200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <003901c361ab$91f7e4b0$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Well, I am still up and about, but alas I don't have a copy... or a respectable connection speed. =(  

Just had a trial run at a VietCong multiplayer game, and bugger me it looks good, even on this poor box (some 267MHz below the minimum spec).

-Mr Hip Bone.
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Aug 13 23:12:39 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Aug 13 23:28:45 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
In-Reply-To: <003901c361ab$91f7e4b0$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net>
	<003901c361ab$91f7e4b0$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030813151239.GS27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 13/08 22:59:59, David Shugg wrote:
> Well, I am still up and about, but alas I don't have a copy... or a
> respectable connection speed. =(  

Dave - direct download link (for Windows):

http://flow.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bzflag/bzflag17g2.exe

It's only a 2.5meg download, which doesn't take long even on a 56k
connection.

I'm on a 33.6k modem connection (actually more like 31.2k) and I found
the link to Ken's machine perfectly okay. It's not as "busy" a game,
bandwidthologically speaking, as something like UT or Q3A, so it's
easier on the modem links.

> Just had a trial run at a VietCong multiplayer game, and bugger me
> it looks good, even on this poor box (some 267MHz below the minimum
> spec).

I'll have to have a look at this ;-).

> -Mr Hip Bone.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make messes in the house." -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love"
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 13 23:58:30 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Thu Aug 14 00:01:55 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
References: 
	<200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net><003901c361ab$91f7e4b0$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030813151239.GS27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <006701c361b3$c268bc70$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Sweet, download is now underway.

Pretty happy with Telstra's efforts to improve Langford's phone lines (we were often without a phone when we moved in) now I'm getting a constant 50.1 kps every time I connect. =)

-Hip.
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Aug 14 00:13:05 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Aug 14 00:16:21 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
In-Reply-To: <006701c361b3$c268bc70$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <20030813151239.GS27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<006701c361b3$c268bc70$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030813161305.GT27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 13/08 23:58:30, David Shugg wrote:
> Sweet, download is now underway.

Cool. Just connect to ken.highway1.com.au and you're all set. Just use
the default controls - it's pretty simple to control, you just move
the mouse around to control your motion, and left button to fire.

> Pretty happy with Telstra's efforts to improve Langford's phone
> lines (we were often without a phone when we moved in) now I'm
> getting a constant 50.1 kps every time I connect. =)

Sweet. :)

> -Hip.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"Reader, beware: This section is highly mathematical. Well, maybe not
_highly_ mathematical, but it's got a bunch of symbols and scary-looking
formulas. You have been warned." -- sci.crypt FAQ
From algernon at aloku.net  Thu Aug 14 01:21:09 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Aug 14 01:23:24 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
In-Reply-To: <006701c361b3$c268bc70$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20030813151239.GS27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<006701c361b3$c268bc70$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <200308140121.09520.algernon@aloku.net>

Well, Cam and me have signed off, and there's no-one else on it.  So I guess 
the impromptu match has finished for now.  Must arrange another time.

The LAN is still on the 30th, right Pete?

- Karl

From andrew at shugg.net  Fri Aug 15 14:57:38 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug 15 15:02:46 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] New version of Urban Terror released
Message-ID: <20030815145736.C1530@shugg.net>

The Q3A mod Urban Terror 3.0 has been released, and it is Good(tm).  =)

Many changes and new things, but the most important things (in my
humble opinion) are:

 * Addition of the Negev. A grossly powerful gun with a humungous clip
   capability. Carrying the Negev eliminates your stamina almost
   entirely, allowing for only two jumps before becoming tired.

 * Mr. Sentry is a map entity placed by the mapper to keep a certain
   player out of a particular area. This may or may not include the
   opposing team entering the opponent's spawn roof, or a team trying to
   take their opponents flag back into their spawn in order to camp it.
   Mr. Sentry will annihilate whomever the mapper has set him to attack.
   Mr. Sentry can greatly change the strategy of CTF on certain maps.

 * Centerview has been altered such that it no longer automatically
   places your crosshair at head level.

 * /cg_optimize 1 optimizes client code to reduce number of calculations
   that predict your interaction with world between server updates. On
   low end CPUs this will improve performance.


The bad news is that it's a big bastard of a download, at 322M.  It is
currently being uploaded from my home network to Anthony's web server
which is hosting a humble LAN party file repository.

  http://takahe.blacksapphire.com/lanparty/q3aut/

It's taking a while to transfer (argh), but it'll all be there sooner or
later.  So if you're within WAIX you can yoink the file off Anthony's
server, and it won't cost any of us anything.  =)

Or if you don't care about download costs, etc, you can go to the main
website at www.urbanterror.net to click on one of the AU mirror links.
e.g. I got it from here:

  http://syd2.ausgamers.com:88/quake3/mods/urbanterror/urbanterror3.zip

If you live in "my God I have a crap modem" world instead of "my 256k
ADSL is very tasty" world then let me know and I'll look at giving you
he file on a CD or three Zip disks or something.

But anyway, we need another LAN party really really soon so that we can
play this.  Is anyone not doing anything this weekend?  I propose an
emergency LAN party for BZFlag and Urban Terror 3.  =)

BTW the one single Zip file just needs to be extracted in your quake3
folder (wherever that might be) and that's all there is to it.  Doesn't
matter if your using Windows, Mac OS or Linux.  Excellent stuff.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Aug 15 15:23:38 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Aug 15 15:27:08 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] New version of Urban Terror released
In-Reply-To: <20030815145736.C1530@shugg.net>
References: <20030815145736.C1530@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030815072338.GI27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 15/08 14:57:38, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> The Q3A mod Urban Terror 3.0 has been released, and it is Good(tm).  =)
[ snip ]

> If you live in "my God I have a crap modem" world

Hey, I know that world!

> instead of "my 256k ADSL is very tasty" world then let me know and
> I'll look at giving you he file on a CD or three Zip disks or
> something.

Thankfully I live in the nice "my neighbour has ADSL on WAIX" world,
so my normal modem crappiness is offset by healthy ADSL download speed
for big files if Craig's in a good mood and doesn't mind. His
doesn't-mindedness can usually be presumed if the big-arse file is on
WAIX.

> But anyway, we need another LAN party really really soon so that we can
> play this.  Is anyone not doing anything this weekend?  I propose an
> emergency LAN party for BZFlag and Urban Terror 3.  =)

*grin*

I was considering this, and as I'm in the process of cleaning up my
house (amongst other things), I'd like to. But I've got too many
things I'm trying to sort out at the moment (mainly job applications
and PIV website updates), so it's probably not practical right now.

I'm still happy to host one on Saturday the 30th of August, though... :)

I'll be happy to give you a good bzflagging on Ken's server at
sometime tonight or tomorrow, though. Mmm, BZFlag. Roger and I had a
rather stylish little one-on-one duel last night... we ended up at
about 55 kills apiece. Both of us agreed that we feel much less
stressed in a no-Karl environment. ;-)

> BTW the one single Zip file just needs to be extracted in your quake3
> folder (wherever that might be) and that's all there is to it.  Doesn't
> matter if your using Windows, Mac OS or Linux.  Excellent stuff.

I shall definitely have to test it out. Mmmm.

Let us know when the file's uploaded and accessible, then we can
give the server a good slashdotting. Heh heh heh. :)

> Andrew.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"If not for the compulsions of engineers, mankind would never have
seen the wheel, settling instead for the trapezoid because some
neanderthal in marketing convinced everybody it had great braking
ability." -- Scott Adams
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Fri Aug 15 17:23:06 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Fri Aug 15 17:25:11 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag server... Ken? Andrew?
In-Reply-To: <408BBEF3-CD43-11D7-B227-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <13E4327B-CF02-11D7-8A0E-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 12:04 PM, Ken Taylor wrote:
>> I think I'd like to have the jumping option back again,
>
> OK - I'll read up on configuring the server for a few different 
> options - I might even run more than one server on different ports so 
> that we can have different games..

OK - Done - Now that it's Friday...

To play a game without jumping, use the standard port (5155), for a 
game with jumping enabled, use 5165.

I'm on the jumping server now if anyone wants to kill me !

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From algernon at aloku.net  Fri Aug 15 18:30:05 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Fri Aug 15 18:32:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] New version of Urban Terror released
In-Reply-To: <20030815072338.GI27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
References: <20030815145736.C1530@shugg.net>
	<20030815072338.GI27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <200308151830.05585.algernon@aloku.net>

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:23, Peter Wright wrote:
> On 15/08 14:57:38, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > But anyway, we need another LAN party really really soon so that we can
> > play this.  Is anyone not doing anything this weekend?  I propose an
> > emergency LAN party for BZFlag and Urban Terror 3.  =)
>
> *grin*
>
> I was considering this, and as I'm in the process of cleaning up my
> house (amongst other things), I'd like to. But I've got too many
> things I'm trying to sort out at the moment (mainly job applications
> and PIV website updates), so it's probably not practical right now.
>
> I'm still happy to host one on Saturday the 30th of August, though... :)

Good for me.  That way we all have time to get up to speed on (and install) 
UT3, too.

> I'll be happy to give you a good bzflagging on Ken's server at
> sometime tonight or tomorrow, though. Mmm, BZFlag. Roger and I had a
> rather stylish little one-on-one duel last night... we ended up at
> about 55 kills apiece. Both of us agreed that we feel much less
> stressed in a no-Karl environment. ;-)

Beh.  Wimps :)

Just finished a bouncy-bouncy Bzflag with Ken and Rog.  Fun!  Although I kept 
getting stuck by being impaled on pyramids....

- Karl

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Aug 15 20:46:36 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Aug 15 20:50:22 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] 
	Pete wombles through bzflag (was Re: New version of Urban Terror
	released)
In-Reply-To: <200308151830.05585.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <20030815145736.C1530@shugg.net>
	<20030815072338.GI27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<200308151830.05585.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030815124636.GP27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 15/08 18:30:05, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:23, Peter Wright wrote:
[ snip ]
> > I'm still happy to host one on Saturday the 30th of August, though... :)
> 
> Good for me.  That way we all have time to get up to speed on (and
> install) UT3, too.

Yeah, I might start downloading it via the friendly Craig network now.

> > I'll be happy to give you a good bzflagging on Ken's server at
> > sometime tonight or tomorrow, though. Mmm, BZFlag. Roger and I had
> > a rather stylish little one-on-one duel last night... we ended up
> > at about 55 kills apiece. Both of us agreed that we feel much less
> > stressed in a no-Karl environment. ;-)
> 
> Beh.  Wimps :)

:-PP

> Just finished a bouncy-bouncy Bzflag with Ken and Rog.  Fun!
> Although I kept getting stuck by being impaled on pyramids....

Heh. I just connected to the bouncy Bzflag server and was cruising
around for a bit, practising my bouncing... but then I jumped into a
crack between two structures and got stuck. Couldn't get out, had to
quit. Argh. ;-)

> - Karl

Anyway, if anyone feels like joining me for a bit of blasting, I'm
going to leave my Bzflag connection up in a window (on the bouncy
server). I'll hear if anyone connects, so you'll have at least a few
spare seconds before I can switch back to the bzflag window and start
hunting you down. ;-)

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"I loved FOTR and I think TTT was even better, in the sense that it had
all of the qualities of the first film, plus the extraordinary Helm's
Deep sequence that made ATTACK OF THE CLONES look like it was shot in a
barn with hand puppets."  -- Aul? reviewing "The Two Towers"
From andrew at shugg.net  Fri Aug 15 20:56:41 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug 15 20:59:14 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] New version of Urban Terror released
In-Reply-To: <20030815072338.GI27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 03:23:38PM +0800
References: <20030815145736.C1530@shugg.net>
	<20030815072338.GI27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030815205632.C858@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> Let us know when the file's uploaded and accessible, then we can
> give the server a good slashdotting. Heh heh heh. :)

It's already available.  It's got about 100M to go but that'll be there
tomorrow.  Meanwhile you can just start slurping now with wget, and
continue tomorrow with wget -c.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Aug 15 21:00:30 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Aug 15 21:06:45 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] 
	Alternate WAIX link for Q3A UT3 (was Re: New version of Urban
	Terror released)
In-Reply-To: <20030815145736.C1530@shugg.net>
References: <20030815145736.C1530@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030815130030.GQ27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 15/08 14:57:38, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> The Q3A mod Urban Terror 3.0 has been released, and it is Good(tm).  =)
[ snip ]
> The bad news is that it's a big bastard of a download, at 322M.  It is
> currently being uploaded from my home network to Anthony's web server
> which is hosting a humble LAN party file repository.
> 
>   http://takahe.blacksapphire.com/lanparty/q3aut/
> 
> It's taking a while to transfer (argh), but it'll all be there sooner or
> later.  So if you're within WAIX you can yoink the file off Anthony's
> server, and it won't cost any of us anything.  =)

Or alternatively you can yoink it off 3fl:

ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/quake3/mods/urbanterror/urbanterror3.zip

...which is also WAIX-ified.

We shall now pause for a moment while Andrew goes "d'oh!".

> Andrew.

:-)

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"Remember, SCSI is not black magic. There are fundamental technical
reasons why it is necessary to sacrifice a goat at midnight in order
to get a SCSI device working properly." -- Arnoud Engelfriet 
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Sat Aug 16 15:15:40 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Sat Aug 16 15:17:30 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
References: 
	<200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net><20030813151239.GS27795@cartman.flooble.net.au><006701c361b3$c268bc70$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<200308140121.09520.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <002b01c363c6$34898cd0$4ad33bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Anyone feel up to a quick game?  I finally installed BzFlag... Prepare to face the Mighty Hip Bone!  =P

-Mr Hip Bone
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Sat Aug 16 15:23:28 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Sat Aug 16 15:26:25 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
In-Reply-To: <002b01c363c6$34898cd0$4ad33bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <200308140121.09520.algernon@aloku.net>
	<002b01c363c6$34898cd0$4ad33bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030816072328.GR27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 16/08 15:15:40, David Shugg wrote:
> Anyone feel up to a quick game?  I finally installed BzFlag...
> Prepare to face the Mighty Hip Bone!  =P

;-)

Sure, don't mind if I do...

See you on the jumping server (ken.highway1.com.au, port 5165).

> -Mr Hip Bone

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"People who think chess is a wimpy sport have never been hit over
the head with a solid marble chessboard." -- Thomas Boutel
From andrew at shugg.net  Sat Aug 16 15:29:07 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sat Aug 16 15:33:45 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
In-Reply-To: <002b01c363c6$34898cd0$4ad33bcb@internal.neep.com.au>;
	from dshugg@iinet.net.au on Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 03:15:40PM +0800
References: 
	<200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net><20030813151239.GS27795@cartman.flooble.net.au><006701c361b3$c268bc70$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<200308140121.09520.algernon@aloku.net>
	<002b01c363c6$34898cd0$4ad33bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030816152904.A1266@shugg.net>

Quoth David:
> Anyone feel up to a quick game?  I finally installed BzFlag... Prepare
> to face the Mighty Hip Bone!  =P
> 
> -Mr Hip Bone

I will, in about 20 minutes: we've been doing lots of Hard Work outside
and I need to have a shower before I can come back and hide in the
office for a few hours.  ;)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Sat Aug 16 15:34:56 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sat Aug 16 15:45:23 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Alternate WAIX link for Q3A UT3 (was Re: New
	version of Urban Terror released)
In-Reply-To: <20030815130030.GQ27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:00:30PM +0800
References: <20030815145736.C1530@shugg.net>
	<20030815130030.GQ27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030816153454.B1266@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> Or alternatively you can yoink it off 3fl:
> 
> ftp://mirror.3fl.net/pub/games/quake3/mods/urbanterror/urbanterror3.zip
> 
> ...which is also WAIX-ified.

WAIX-only actually.  And ftp-only as far as I can tell (which is
annoying).

> We shall now pause for a moment while Andrew goes "d'oh!".
> 
> > Andrew.
> 
> :-)

Not really.  The full urbanterror3.zip is on t.b.c/lanparty/q3aut/ now,
and the file repository is available by HTTP.  Besides I am happy to
keep a repository where we have all the stuff we need in one place,
instead of scattered all over the place on various web/ftp servers.

(Maybe someone with shitloads of disk an just start mirroring the
3fl.net server: I've found fmirror to be a pretty good ftp mirroring
program.)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From joel at iinet.net.au  Sat Aug 16 16:15:01 2003
From: joel at iinet.net.au (Joel Mendelson)
Date: Sat Aug 16 16:19:08 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZ Flag Serv
References: 
	<200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net><20030813151239.GS27795@cartman.flooble.net.au><006701c361b3$c268bc70$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au><200308140121.09520.algernon@aloku.net>
	<002b01c363c6$34898cd0$4ad33bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <001101c363ce$7dac6a10$0500a8c0@joel>

Hi Guys,
  What is the server again fo BZFlag?

Joel

KosherKlan


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Shugg" <dshugg@iinet.net.au>
To: "Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties."
<shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!


Anyone feel up to a quick game?  I finally installed BzFlag... Prepare to
face the Mighty Hip Bone!  =P

-Mr Hip Bone

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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Sat Aug 16 16:33:13 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Sat Aug 16 16:36:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZ Flag Serv
In-Reply-To: <001101c363ce$7dac6a10$0500a8c0@joel>
References: <002b01c363c6$34898cd0$4ad33bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<001101c363ce$7dac6a10$0500a8c0@joel>
Message-ID: <20030816083313.GU27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 16/08 16:15:01, Joel Mendelson wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>   What is the server again fo BZFlag?

ken.highway1.com.au

port 5165

currently me, Karl and Roger.

> Joel
> KosherKlan

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
From algernon at aloku.net  Sat Aug 16 16:39:04 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Sat Aug 16 17:05:19 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZ Flag Serv
In-Reply-To: <20030816083313.GU27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <FJEJKNJLGHPLKABGNDNJKEAHCAAA.algernon@aloku.net>

Okay, who killed it? :)

- Karl

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From andrew at shugg.net  Sat Aug 16 17:51:57 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sat Aug 16 17:53:25 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
In-Reply-To: <200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 10:39:42PM +0800
References: <200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030816175156.A2085@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> For those who get this in time, there is an impromptu Bzflag match happening 
> now (22:45, or 10:45 pm) (Wednesday 13/08/03) on Ken's server 
> (ken.highway1.com.au).  Lasting till whenever.  Come one, come all!
> 
> - Karl

Despite a healthy 50ms ping I'm still seeing a lot of lag.  =(

I am blaming my client a bit - things ran better when I dropped the
screen resolution - but I'm still surprised that my hits miss and my
misses hit.  (Well my close misses hit anyway.)

Maybe it's just better on a 100Mbit switched network, and not really
workably for us over modems and low-grade DSL links ...  =/

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Sat Aug 16 15:40:48 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Sat Aug 16 18:01:41 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now! - Woe is the HIP BONE!!
References: 
	<200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net><20030813151239.GS27795@cartman.flooble.net.au><006701c361b3$c268bc70$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au><200308140121.09520.algernon@aloku.net>
	<002b01c363c6$34898cd0$4ad33bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <001401c363dc$ac3427c0$85cb3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Argh!  Got fragged by Pete, then had my Ham-Bone moniter have a Negus... Had to reboot =(
Moniter said it was out of frequency,  anyone had that problem before?

-Mr Hip Bone

From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Sat Aug 16 18:00:34 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Sat Aug 16 18:09:29 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
References: <200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20030816175156.A2085@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <003a01c363dd$3ed4c6c0$85cb3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Well Mr Hip Bone is back on, trying running it in a window, it didn't like swapping in and out of a full screen...

Anyone out there?

-Hip.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Shugg" <andrew@shugg.net>
To: "Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties." <shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!


> Quoth Karl:
> > For those who get this in time, there is an impromptu Bzflag match happening 
> > now (22:45, or 10:45 pm) (Wednesday 13/08/03) on Ken's server 
> > (ken.highway1.com.au).  Lasting till whenever.  Come one, come all!
> > 
> > - Karl
> 
> Despite a healthy 50ms ping I'm still seeing a lot of lag.  =(
> 
> I am blaming my client a bit - things ran better when I dropped the
> screen resolution - but I'm still surprised that my hits miss and my
> misses hit.  (Well my close misses hit anyway.)
> 
> Maybe it's just better on a 100Mbit switched network, and not really
> workably for us over modems and low-grade DSL links ...  =/
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/
> 
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
>     
> /*  
>     
>     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>     
>     Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
>     message goes to everybody).
>     
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>     
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>     
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> 
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Sat Aug 16 18:59:34 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Sat Aug 16 19:03:35 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] CTF server, Ken? (was Re: Bzflag match on now!)
In-Reply-To: <20030816175156.A2085@shugg.net>
References: <200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20030816175156.A2085@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030816105934.GW27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 16/08 17:51:57, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Karl:
> > For those who get this in time, there is an impromptu Bzflag match
> > happening now (22:45, or 10:45 pm) (Wednesday 13/08/03) on Ken's
> > server (ken.highway1.com.au).  Lasting till whenever.  Come one,
> > come all!
> > 
> > - Karl
> 
> Despite a healthy 50ms ping I'm still seeing a lot of lag.  =(
> 
> I am blaming my client a bit - things ran better when I dropped the
> screen resolution - but I'm still surprised that my hits miss and my
> misses hit.  (Well my close misses hit anyway.)

I don't think I can blame my client much... I was running in windowed
mode, at a relatively low resolution (I think only 800x600).

I think I'll just blame myself. Oh, and Roger of course. :)

> Maybe it's just better on a 100Mbit switched network, and not really
> workably for us over modems and low-grade DSL links ...  =/

Eh, it's workable enough to still be fun :), and at least I can still
kill people (although not as frequently as I might like).

I still reckon we need to try a CTF game. Ken, do you reckon you can
start up another swerver running CTF?

$ cd $BZFLAG_DIR
$ ./bzfs +r -c -mts 10 -b -s 5 -st 60 -fb -j -h -p 5175

+r	=> Ricochet - most shots bounce off buildings. Fun. If you're
	particularly stupid or unlucky (or both, like me) you can
	shoot yourself! :-)
-c	=> Capture-the-flag style game.
-mts 10	=> First team to 10 captures wins.
-b	=> Randomly rotates buildings (in CTF mode).
-s 5	=> 5 random "superflags" strewn about map (mmm, shockwave).
-st 60	=> Bad "superflags" automatically dropped after 60 seconds.
-fb	=> Allow flags on box buildings (ie. not pyramids).
-j	=> Allow jumping.
-h	=> Buildings are given slightly varying heights (makes the
	building landscape a bit more interesting).
-p 5175	=> ...runs server on port 5175... :)

> Andrew.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"A retrospective of the 'good 'ole days' of the Net when men were real
men, all computers ran Unix, and the Web seemed like a good idea."  
    -- third in a list of ideas for articles about the history of the
       Net by Paul Stephanouk
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Sat Aug 16 19:00:51 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Sat Aug 16 19:11:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now! - Woe is the HIP BONE!!
In-Reply-To: <001401c363dc$ac3427c0$85cb3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <002b01c363c6$34898cd0$4ad33bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<001401c363dc$ac3427c0$85cb3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030816110051.GX27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 16/08 15:40:48, David Shugg wrote:
> Argh!  Got fragged by Pete, then had my Ham-Bone moniter have a
> Negus... Had to reboot =( Moniter said it was out of frequency,
> anyone had that problem before?

Your default resolution was probably set a tad too high for your
monitor - try setting it in the GUI options for 800x600.

Or run it in windowed mode. :)

> -Mr Hip Bone

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"All I know is that I once felt something meaningful about my work,
and suddenly that feeling wasn't there anymore. Outside of a few
visionaries, computer science has been woefully deficient at providing
something useful for humanity. Most computer science students would do
better to take up bartending or drug dealing for what good it will do
them and the world." -- Megan P. Jamieson
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Sat Aug 16 21:09:40 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Sat Aug 16 21:12:11 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now! - Woe is the HIP BONE!!
In-Reply-To: <20030816110051.GX27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <E500C22B-CFEA-11D7-9149-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

> Or run it in windowed mode. :)

How?

Cam
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down
to their level, then beat you with experience.

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Sat Aug 16 22:46:29 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Sat Aug 16 22:53:43 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now! - Woe is the HIP BONE!!
In-Reply-To: <E500C22B-CFEA-11D7-9149-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
References: <20030816110051.GX27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<E500C22B-CFEA-11D7-9149-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030816144629.GA17379@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 16/08 21:09:40, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> >Or run it in windowed mode. :)
> 
> How?

bzflag -window

> Cam

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"Running Windows NT as a server because it's easy to use is like
hiring Miss America to run your payroll because she's cute." 
     -- Peter da Silva 
From andrew at shugg.net  Sun Aug 17 11:15:51 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sun Aug 17 11:18:52 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now! - Woe is the HIP BONE!!
In-Reply-To: <20030816144629.GA17379@cartman.flooble.net.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 10:46:29PM +0800
References: <20030816110051.GX27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<E500C22B-CFEA-11D7-9149-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<20030816144629.GA17379@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030817111549.A764@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> On 16/08 21:09:40, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> > >Or run it in windowed mode. :)
> > 
> > How?
> 
> bzflag -window
> 
> > Cam
> 
> Pete.

Which computer are you using Cameron?  Windowed mode doesn't seem to be
supported in the Mac OS X version.  =/

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Sun Aug 17 18:11:22 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Sun Aug 17 18:13:15 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now! - Woe is the HIP BONE!!
In-Reply-To: <20030817111549.A764@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <26DCAA11-D09B-11D7-B5FD-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

> Which computer are you using Cameron?  Windowed mode doesn't seem to be
> supported in the Mac OS X version.  =/

For games I am generally using the PC either in Linux in some form or 
Windows.

When I did bzflag -window it did indeed run in a seperate window that 
was tall and skiny and the size of a postage stamp. Anyone know how to 
fix this?

Cam
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down
to their level, then beat you with experience.

From andrew at shugg.net  Sun Aug 17 21:44:28 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sun Aug 17 21:47:22 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now! - Woe is the HIP BONE!!
In-Reply-To: <26DCAA11-D09B-11D7-B5FD-000393564E88@arach.net.au>;
	from cameronm@arach.net.au on Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 06:11:22PM +0800
References: <20030817111549.A764@shugg.net>
	<26DCAA11-D09B-11D7-B5FD-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030817214426.B764@shugg.net>

Quoth Cameron:
> > Which computer are you using Cameron?  Windowed mode doesn't seem to be
> > supported in the Mac OS X version.  =/
> 
> For games I am generally using the PC either in Linux in some form or 
> Windows.
> 
> When I did bzflag -window it did indeed run in a seperate window that 
> was tall and skiny and the size of a postage stamp. Anyone know how to 
> fix this?
> 
> Cam

According to bzflag -help you should be able to use the -geometry option
like many windowed apps.

eg:

    bzflag -window -geometry 800x600

Try it and see.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Mon Aug 18 10:21:33 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Mon Aug 18 10:27:10 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] CTF server, Ken? (was Re: Bzflag match on
	now!)
In-Reply-To: <20030816105934.GW27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <AF6B5BB1-D122-11D7-91AD-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Peter Wright wrote:
> I still reckon we need to try a CTF game. Ken, do you reckon you can
> start up another swerver running CTF?
>
> $ cd $BZFLAG_DIR
> $ ./bzfs +r -c -mts 10 -b -s 5 -st 60 -fb -j -h -p 5175

Done I've usually found you need to set the response port as well if 
running multiple servers on the same machine, so I added '-pr 5176' to 
the above, and it's running now..

Of course, I haven't tested it from work ;)

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Tue Aug 19 22:18:47 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Tue Aug 19 22:26:07 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] CTF...
References: <AF6B5BB1-D122-11D7-91AD-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <000701c3665c$cfc34090$d8b13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Anyone up for a bit of CTF?  =)  

Mr Hip Bone.
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Tue Aug 19 22:41:36 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Tue Aug 19 22:48:16 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] CTF...
In-Reply-To: <000701c3665c$cfc34090$d8b13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <AF6B5BB1-D122-11D7-91AD-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
	<000701c3665c$cfc34090$d8b13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030819144136.GA13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 19/08 22:18:47, David Shugg wrote:
> Anyone up for a bit of CTF?  =)  

Okay.

Should be good for a laugh, anyway, with two people :).

I'll be red, so choose a non-red team.

(ken.highway1.com.au, port 5175)

> Mr Hip Bone.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"After 10 years writing object-orientated enterprise code, one of the
most important things I've learned is to code as if the next guy to
come along and maintain your code is a short-tempered 30-stone gorilla
who knows where you live." -- cas, AlienFlux developer
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Aug 20 20:29:21 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Aug 20 20:41:10 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone up for a bit of BZFlag CTF?
Message-ID: <20030820122921.GG13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>


ken.highway1.com.au:5175

I shall be waiting in case anyone wants to join me... :)

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Klingon programmer sayings:
8. "Indentation?! -- I will show you how to indent when I indent
your skull!" 
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 20 22:00:05 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Wed Aug 20 22:25:26 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone up for a bit of BZFlag CTF?
References: <20030820122921.GG13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <000d01c36723$5cbdba40$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Its probably a bit late, but I'll join you!

-Hip.
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 20 22:17:02 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Wed Aug 20 23:10:16 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Bzflag match on now!
References: 
	<200308132239.42030.algernon@aloku.net><003901c361ab$91f7e4b0$3ec93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030813151239.GS27795@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <002b01c36725$bc1c7ba0$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

*Yawns*
Bugger it I'm off to bed.

-Dave.
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Wed Aug 20 23:00:16 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Thu Aug 21 00:07:19 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone up for a bit of BZFlag CTF?
In-Reply-To: <20030820122921.GG13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>
References: <20030820122921.GG13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030820150018.555951C565@escher.takahe.net>

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> ken.highway1.com.au:5175
>
> I shall be waiting in case anyone wants to join me... :)
>
> Pete.

I thought - I've never played this before. I'll just see if there's a Debian 
package of it, if not then I'll go to bed. There was a Debian package so I 
got killed. Now I'm going to bed.

Anthony
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From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Aug 20 23:19:45 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Aug 21 00:46:23 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone up for a bit of BZFlag CTF?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c36723$5cbdba40$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>;
	from dshugg@iinet.net.au on Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:00:05PM +0800
References: <20030820122921.GG13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<000d01c36723$5cbdba40$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030820231942.A14344@shugg.net>

Quoth David:
> Its probably a bit late, but I'll join you!
> 
> -Hip.

Um, so where are you Bone?  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Aug 21 02:15:29 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Aug 21 02:23:43 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone up for a bit of BZFlag CTF?
In-Reply-To: <20030820150018.555951C565@escher.takahe.net>
References: <20030820122921.GG13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<20030820150018.555951C565@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20030820181529.GI13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 20/08 23:00:16, Anthony Jones wrote:
[ snip ]
> I thought - I've never played this before. I'll just see if there's
> a Debian package of it, if not then I'll go to bed. There was a
> Debian package

(of course!)

> so I got killed. Now I'm going to bed.

ROTFL

Thank you for that very concise summary of events, Sir Anthony. ;-))

> Anthony

Earlier in the evening (I've only just seen these responses to my
message) Joel and Roger and I were playing CTF just by ourselves -
three people, three teams. It got a little silly, as I managed to pull
slightly ahead then drove Roger nuts when I realised that when you
make a flag-capture, you actually kill all members of the team (of the
flag you just captured).

So he would try to steal my flag from the other side of the map where
I'd "hidden" it, then come trundling back towards his base. In the
meantime, I'd have stolen his flag from his base, run back to my base,
scored (killing Roger), then rescuing my flag from where he dropped it.

Anyway, it went on like that for a while, at least until we all got
entranced by the possibilities of the tracer missile superflag.
Now that _was_ fun, even if I only got to kill one person with it. :)


After that game, Joel signed off and Roger and I played 1-on-1
deathmatch on the "jumping" map for a while (ken.highway1.com.au:5165).
We ended up pretty much equal, though Rog had the advantage in sheer
number of really irritating kills. I can't count the number of times
I'd chased him across the entire map, him bouncing incessantly to
dodge my shots and me just not _quite_ being able to time a shot that
connects with him as he touches the ground. Then he finally manages to
jump/spin himself so his weapon is pointing at me, then one shot BANG
and I'm dead.

I can't possibly explain how incredibly infuriating it was, though
Roger gave me a good number of opportunities to do so. *grin*

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Klingon programmer sayings:
6. "Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' -- they have
'arguments' -- and they ALWAYS WIN THEM."
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Thu Aug 21 06:29:58 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Thu Aug 21 06:57:53 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone up for a bit of BZFlag CTF?
References: 
	<20030820122921.GG13430@cartman.flooble.net.au><000d01c36723$5cbdba40$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030820231942.A14344@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <004301c3676a$e3d2e770$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

> Um, so where are you Bone?  =)
> 
By that time I was pushing out Zzzz's... 
There seems to be a delay betwwen me sending a message and it appearing on the list... Some 20-25 minutes.  

-Mr Hip.

HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer
nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive car
parts not far from the object we are trying to hit.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Shugg" <andrew@shugg.net>
To: "Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties." <shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone up for a bit of BZFlag CTF?


> Quoth David:
> > Its probably a bit late, but I'll join you!
> > 
> > -Hip.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/
> 
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
>     
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>     
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>     
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From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Aug 21 12:13:05 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Aug 21 12:16:48 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone up for a bit of BZFlag CTF?
In-Reply-To: <004301c3676a$e3d2e770$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>;
	from dshugg@iinet.net.au on Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 06:29:58AM +0800
References: 
	<20030820122921.GG13430@cartman.flooble.net.au><000d01c36723$5cbdba40$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030820231942.A14344@shugg.net>
	<004301c3676a$e3d2e770$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030821121302.A1039@shugg.net>

Quoth David:
> There seems to be a delay betwwen me sending a message and it
> appearing on the list... Some 20-25 minutes.  
> 
> -Mr Hip.

Ah yes.  That's part of the conspiracy.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Aug 21 12:33:38 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Aug 21 12:42:26 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
Message-ID: <20030821123336.A1837@shugg.net>

All,

I propose that the server on ken.highway1.com.au:5155 be changed to
include flags and ricochet, but no jumping.  Oh, and all the servers
(5155/5165/5175) should allow rogues.

Anyone against?  If not, would you mind making the changed Ken?  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Thu Aug 21 13:02:37 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Thu Aug 21 13:47:03 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <20030821123336.A1837@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <AEF736D8-D394-11D7-B023-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

> I propose that the server on ken.highway1.com.au:5155 be changed to
> include flags and ricochet, but no jumping.  Oh, and all the servers
> (5155/5165/5175) should allow rogues.

I'll second that. Karl and I played a game in 5175 where we agreed not 
to jump and that was most fun.

I think we need a way of being able to change the settings without 
bothering Ken all the time. Any ideas?

Cam
--
"Oh, a lesson in changing history from Mister I'm-my-own-grandfather!"
-- Professor Farnsworth from Futurama


--
Q. What goes "CLICK- is that it? CLICK- is that it? CLICK- is that it?"
A. A blind person with a Rubix cube.

From algernon at aloku.net  Thu Aug 21 13:29:55 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Aug 21 14:59:53 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <624CD96C-D395-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
References: <624CD96C-D395-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <200308211329.55225.algernon@aloku.net>

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:07, Ken Taylor wrote:
> Hmm - I personally don't see the point...  Do we have enough players to
> make rogues interesting?

Oh, yesss.... no rogues basically limits deathmatches to four people, and 
we've gone over that limit several times.

- Karl

From algernon at aloku.net  Thu Aug 21 13:26:07 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Aug 21 15:56:30 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <20030821123336.A1837@shugg.net>
References: <20030821123336.A1837@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200308211326.07488.algernon@aloku.net>

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:33, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> All,
>
> I propose that the server on ken.highway1.com.au:5155 be changed to
> include flags and ricochet, but no jumping.  Oh, and all the servers

Hear, here!

Cam and I were up to silly hours this morning playing on the CTF server as a 
deathmatch with no jumping.  Flags, ricochet and no jumping works good!

When you combine the flags & jumping you get things like the airborne 
shockwave and the rooftop guided missile (I think Cam killed us about thirty 
times before we eventually got him) which make me think that the two were not 
designed to be used with each other (it's a bit unbalanced, to say the 
least).  I think this is what was frustrating me when we first played it at 
the last LAN... :)

Speaking of LANs, who's coming to Pete's on the 30th (next Saturday)?

- Karl

From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Thu Aug 21 14:24:37 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Thu Aug 21 16:54:50 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <AEF736D8-D394-11D7-B023-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <2370B179-D3A0-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 01:02 PM, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> I think we need a way of being able to change the settings without 
> bothering Ken all the time. Any ideas?

I'm happy to be bothered...

It's just that until I move back home (where my permanent connection 
is), I'm not usually ICQ/Messangerable at night...

However, I *should* be moving back home this weekend!

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Thu Aug 21 13:07:38 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Thu Aug 21 19:00:08 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <20030821123336.A1837@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <624CD96C-D395-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 12:33 PM, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> I propose that the server on ken.highway1.com.au:5155 be changed to
> include flags and ricochet, but no jumping.

Fine by me.

> Oh, and all the servers
> (5155/5165/5175) should allow rogues.

Hmm - I personally don't see the point...  Do we have enough players to 
make rogues interesting?

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Aug 21 14:28:24 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Aug 21 19:48:31 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <AEF736D8-D394-11D7-B023-000393564E88@arach.net.au>;
	from cameronm@arach.net.au on Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:02:37PM +0800
References: <20030821123336.A1837@shugg.net>
	<AEF736D8-D394-11D7-B023-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030821142822.B1837@shugg.net>

Quoth Cameron:
> > I propose that the server on ken.highway1.com.au:5155 be changed to
> > include flags and ricochet, but no jumping.  Oh, and all the servers
> > (5155/5165/5175) should allow rogues.
> 
> I'll second that. Karl and I played a game in 5175 where we agreed not 
> to jump and that was most fun.
> 
> I think we need a way of being able to change the settings without 
> bothering Ken all the time. Any ideas?
> 
> Cam

Currently I don't think the BZFlag server program allows you to change
stuff on the fly.  But I might be wrong.  I'll try to look into it
sometime.  (This will require reading the documentation though.)  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Aug 21 14:31:53 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Aug 21 20:32:52 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <624CD96C-D395-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>;
	from ken@staff.highway1.com.au on Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:07:38PM +0800
References: <20030821123336.A1837@shugg.net>
	<624CD96C-D395-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030821143151.C1837@shugg.net>

Quoth Ken:
> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 12:33 PM, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > I propose that the server on ken.highway1.com.au:5155 be changed to
> > include flags and ricochet, but no jumping.
> 
> Fine by me.
> 
> > Oh, and all the servers
> > (5155/5165/5175) should allow rogues.
> 
> Hmm - I personally don't see the point...  Do we have enough players to 
> make rogues interesting?
> 
> K

Yes, though that's actually backwards: at the moment allowing rogues is
better because we don't usually have enough people online at a time to
play a team game properly.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Aug 21 14:40:24 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Aug 21 20:52:07 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <200308211326.07488.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <20030821123336.A1837@shugg.net>
	<200308211326.07488.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030821064024.GO13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 21/08 13:26:07, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:33, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I propose that the server on ken.highway1.com.au:5155 be changed to
> > include flags and ricochet, but no jumping.  Oh, and all the servers
> 
> Hear, here!

As opposed to hearing _there_? ;-)

> Cam and I were up to silly hours this morning playing on the CTF
> server as a deathmatch with no jumping.  Flags, ricochet and no
> jumping works good!

Well, it looks like Ken's just fixed the 5155 server to fit your
suggested specs. I just spent a few minutes on it, practising shooting
myself.

> When you combine the flags & jumping you get things like the
> airborne shockwave

Ahhh... that's fun when it's not you being killed by it.

> and the rooftop guided missile (I think Cam killed us about thirty 
> times before we eventually got him)

Camper Cam! :)

> which make me think that the two were not designed to be used with
> each other (it's a bit unbalanced, to say the least).  I think this
> is what was frustrating me when we first played it at the last
> LAN... :)

That, and that you were getting killed a lot. Nyar nyar. :-P :-)

> Speaking of LANs, who's coming to Pete's on the 30th (next Saturday)?

Well, I've decided to not give any of you an option this time - I've
had enough of this free choice thing. You just have to come. Yes, I'm
talking to you, Wez, and you Tobes. And definitely you, Jeremy. :)

I mean come on, there'll be BZFlag[0]! How could you resist? *grin*

> - Karl

Pete.

[0] ...and Quake 3 Urban Terror 3, and Quake 3 Jailbreak, and random
    Unreal Tournament...
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Klingon programmer sayings:
2. "You question the worthiness of my code? I will kill you where
you stand!" 
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Thu Aug 21 14:56:32 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Thu Aug 21 21:18:18 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <200308211326.07488.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <98F6EAAE-D3A4-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 01:26 PM, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:33, Andrew Shugg wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I propose that the server on ken.highway1.com.au:5155 be changed to
>> include flags and ricochet, but no jumping.  Oh, and all the servers
>
> Hear, here!

OK, the servers are now running as:

/usr/local/bin/bzfs -r +r -s 5 -st 60 &
/usr/local/bin/bzfs -r -j -h -p 5165 -pr 5166 &
/usr/local/bin/bzfs -r +r -c -mts 10 -b -s 5 -st 60 -fb -j -h -p 5175 
-pr 5176 &

I've given each one a quick test..

> When you combine the flags & jumping you get things like the airborne
> shockwave and the rooftop guided missile (I think Cam killed us about 
> thirty
> times before we eventually got him) which make me think that the two 
> were not
> designed to be used with each other (it's a bit unbalanced, to say the
> least).  I think this is what was frustrating me when we first played 
> it at
> the last LAN... :)

OK, Here's the full flag list:

          V High Speed
          A Quick Turn
         OO Oscillation Overthruster
          F Rapid Fire
         MG Machine Gun
         GM Guided Missile
          L Laser
          R Ricochet
         SB Super Bullet
         IB Invisible Bullet
         ST Stealth
          T Tiny
          N Narrow
         SH Shield
         SR Steamroller
         SW Shock Wave
         PZ Phantom Zone
          G Genocide
         JP Jumping
         ID Identify
         CL Cloaking
         CB Colorblindness
          O Obesity
         <- Left Turn Only
         -> Right Turn Only
          M Momentum
          B Blindness
         JM Jamming
         WA Wide Angle

So on the 5175 server, following from Karl's suggestion, should we 
disable:

SW and GM  ?

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From algernon at aloku.net  Thu Aug 21 16:39:03 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Aug 21 21:43:04 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <C2899FBA-D39F-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <FJEJKNJLGHPLKABGNDNJOEAPCAAA.algernon@aloku.net>

Ken Wrote:
> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 01:29 PM, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:07, Ken Taylor wrote:
> >> Hmm - I personally don't see the point...  Do we have enough players 
> >> to
> >> make rogues interesting?
> >
> > Oh, yesss.... no rogues basically limits deathmatches to four people, 
> > and
> > we've gone over that limit several times.
> 
> Right!
> 
> I figured you could have more than one person on each team...

Well, you can, but what's the fun if you can't kill everyone else? :)

- Karl
 
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 12/08/2003

From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Thu Aug 21 17:06:44 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Thu Aug 21 22:42:26 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Game this arvo
In-Reply-To: <98F6EAAE-D3A4-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <C9334324-D3B6-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

In an effort to test the new servers, it seems wholly appropriate to 
have a wee game NOW!

I'm on the 5175 server now, but we can change to other servers as 
required..

Of course, by the time the mailserver has sent this mail, I'll have got 
bored and gone home :)

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Aug 21 18:09:02 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Aug 21 23:12:06 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Game this arvo
In-Reply-To: <C9334324-D3B6-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
References: <98F6EAAE-D3A4-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
	<C9334324-D3B6-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030821100902.GR13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 21/08 17:06:44, Ken Taylor wrote:
> In an effort to test the new servers, it seems wholly appropriate to
> have a wee game NOW!
[ snip ]
> Of course, by the time the mailserver has sent this mail, I'll have got 
> bored and gone home :)

Well, I just finished a 1-on-1 duel with Joel on 5155 (non-jumping,
ricochet, superflags). The final tally was... a bit lopsided. I used
the "oscillation overthruster" to repeatedly hide inside buildings and
then sneak out and kill Joel from behind.

(sorry Joel ;-))

> K

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
THEOREM: VI is perfect.
PROOF: VI in roman numerals is 6.  The natural numbers < 6 which divide 6 are
1, 2, and 3. 1+2+3 = 6.  So 6 is a perfect number.  Therefore, VI is perfect.
QED	-- Arthur Tateishi
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Thu Aug 21 18:22:59 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Thu Aug 21 23:52:52 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Game this arvo... like NOW!!
References: <C9334324-D3B6-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <007f01c367ce$530bc4f0$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Sounds good, I'm there right now!
-Mr Hip Bone

HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer
nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive car
parts not far from the object we are trying to hit.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Taylor" <ken@staff.highway1.com.au>
To: "Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties." <shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Game this arvo


> In an effort to test the new servers, it seems wholly appropriate to 
> have a wee game NOW!
> 
> I'm on the 5175 server now, but we can change to other servers as 
> required..
> 
> Of course, by the time the mailserver has sent this mail, I'll have got 
> bored and gone home :)
> 
> K
> -- 
> Ken Taylor
> 
> "Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU
> 
>     
> /*  
>     
>     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>     
>     Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
>     message goes to everybody).
>     
>     More info on the web site: http://shugg.net/lanparty/
>     
>     No sheep were harmed in the creation of this message.
>     
> */  
> 
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Thu Aug 21 14:21:54 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Fri Aug 22 00:21:28 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <200308211329.55225.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <C2899FBA-D39F-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 01:29 PM, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:07, Ken Taylor wrote:
>> Hmm - I personally don't see the point...  Do we have enough players 
>> to
>> make rogues interesting?
>
> Oh, yesss.... no rogues basically limits deathmatches to four people, 
> and
> we've gone over that limit several times.

Right!

I figured you could have more than one person on each team...

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Aug 21 18:56:11 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug 22 00:47:45 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Game this arvo
In-Reply-To: <20030821100902.GR13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 06:09:02PM +0800
References: <98F6EAAE-D3A4-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
	<C9334324-D3B6-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
	<20030821100902.GR13430@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030821185608.C2698@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> Well, I just finished a 1-on-1 duel with Joel on 5155 (non-jumping,
> ricochet, superflags). The final tally was... a bit lopsided. I used
> the "oscillation overthruster" to repeatedly hide inside buildings and
> then sneak out and kill Joel from behind.
> 
> (sorry Joel ;-))

You're not sorry at all.  You're the worst sort of coward!

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Aug 21 20:55:14 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug 22 01:08:27 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Game this arvo... like NOW!!
In-Reply-To: <007f01c367ce$530bc4f0$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>;
	from dshugg@iinet.net.au on Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 06:22:59PM +0800
References: <C9334324-D3B6-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
	<007f01c367ce$530bc4f0$99d13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030821205512.D2698@shugg.net>

Quoth David:
> Sounds good, I'm there right now!
> -Mr Hip Bone

Wah, where is everybody?  =(

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Aug 21 21:05:44 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug 22 01:24:25 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <98F6EAAE-D3A4-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>;
	from ken@staff.highway1.com.au on Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 02:56:32PM +0800
References: <200308211326.07488.algernon@aloku.net>
	<98F6EAAE-D3A4-11D7-9D36-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030821210535.E2698@shugg.net>

Quoth Ken:
> OK, the servers are now running as:
> 
> /usr/local/bin/bzfs -r +r -s 5 -st 60 &
> /usr/local/bin/bzfs -r -j -h -p 5165 -pr 5166 &
> /usr/local/bin/bzfs -r +r -c -mts 10 -b -s 5 -st 60 -fb -j -h -p 5175 
> -pr 5176 &
> 
> I've given each one a quick test..

When I connect my console thingy says that you're running version 1.7g0
on the server, is that right Ken?  The latest release is 1.7g2; I don't
know if there were any significant fixes between those two, but do you
think you could bring it up to 1.7g2 sometime?  Who knows, our lag might
be magically fixed or something.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Sat Aug 23 18:02:18 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Sat Aug 23 18:04:37 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <20030821210535.E2698@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <E114F75A-D550-11D7-B55C-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 09:05 PM, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> When I connect my console thingy says that you're running version 1.7g0
> on the server, is that right Ken?  The latest release is 1.7g2; I don't
> know if there were any significant fixes between those two, but do you
> think you could bring it up to 1.7g2 sometime?  Who knows, our lag 
> might
> be magically fixed or something.  =)

Hmmm...  I'll have a look on Monday..

BTW - Apologies if anyone tried to connect in the last 12 hours or so, 
looks like I had a short power cut at home.

Servers are running again now.

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Sat Aug 23 23:13:54 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Sat Aug 23 23:32:14 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
References: <E114F75A-D550-11D7-B55C-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <000501c36989$2bb6c460$f1c33bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Anyone online at the moment?  Feel like shooting Mr Hip Bone? =)

-Dave.
From andrew at shugg.net  Tue Aug 26 23:15:18 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Aug 26 23:25:59 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] No BZFlag?  =(
Message-ID: <20030826231514.A1280@shugg.net>

Is it just me or is Sir Kenneth's trio of BZFlag servers down?  =(

*sad noises*

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Tue Aug 26 23:56:14 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Tue Aug 26 23:58:33 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] No BZFlag?  =(
In-Reply-To: <20030826231514.A1280@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <FJEJKNJLGHPLKABGNDNJAECFCAAA.algernon@aloku.net>

Andrew wrote:
> Is it just me or is Sir Kenneth's trio of BZFlag servers down?  =(
>
> *sad noises*
>
> Andrew.

Hmmm... working for me, I'm on there now.  And please don't let that scare
you off :)

- Karl

From scottmembry at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 27 07:53:36 2003
From: scottmembry at iinet.net.au (Scott Membry)
Date: Wed Aug 27 07:56:06 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Old Macs
In-Reply-To: <FJEJKNJLGHPLKABGNDNJAECFCAAA.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <200382775336.330022@MOEBIUS>

Hey guys,

We have an old Mac Classic II  - yes, yes its true - with standard
b&w 9" screen, 80MB HDD etc.. that Phillip used in the early 90's to
write his thesis.

I've discovered - *gasp* - that no one will give me so much as $10
for it!  Despite it still being in great working condition (except
the battery).  It even has Boulderdash!

Anyhoo, the point is, I feel bad about simply throwing it away and
was hoping someone might want it for...er... something.  I
investigated a guy in Perth who turns them into Aquariums but he is
not looking for any atm.

Let me know if you or someone you know is into antiques  :)

Cheers

Scott Membry

Mobile: 0412 586 563 
MSN Messenger: scottmembry@iinet.net.au


From eggrogue at bigpond.net.au  Wed Aug 27 09:57:35 2003
From: eggrogue at bigpond.net.au (George)
Date: Wed Aug 27 10:11:42 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Attn: Pete Wright
In-Reply-To: <200382775336.330022@MOEBIUS>
References: <200382775336.330022@MOEBIUS>
Message-ID: <67204787.20030827095735@bigpond.net.au>

You there Pete? My last email to you (pete@flooble.apana.org.au)
bounced.

P.S. Those of you who are not Pete may safely ignore this message :)

-- 
Cheers,
 George


From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Aug 27 10:18:07 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Aug 27 10:57:00 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Old Macs
In-Reply-To: <200382775336.330022@MOEBIUS>;
	from scottmembry@iinet.net.au on Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:53:36AM +0800
References: <200382775336.330022@MOEBIUS>
Message-ID: <20030827101804.A1284@shugg.net>

Quoth Scott:
> We have an old Mac Classic II  - yes, yes its true - with standard
> b&w 9" screen, 80MB HDD etc.. that Phillip used in the early 90's to
> write his thesis.
> 
> I've discovered - *gasp* - that no one will give me so much as $10
> for it!  Despite it still being in great working condition (except
> the battery).  It even has Boulderdash!

Woohoo!  LAN-party Fungus box!!!!  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Aug 27 11:30:58 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Aug 27 11:29:30 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] 
	Start your engines.... (LAN party this Saturday, 30th August)
Message-ID: <20030827113058.D9862@barbrady.flooble.net.au>


(Well, if not start them right _now_, at least check that they're in
startable order.)

LAN party this Saturday. 11am till we stop[4]. My place.

Address: Unit 4, 8 Ravenswood Drive, Nollamara
Phone:   9349 7118 or 0401 177 696

I have room+tablespace for 10 machines[0] (and possibly 1-2 more if
some of those machines are laptops). If for some reason we actually
get more than 10 people coming along (shock, horror!), I may have to
resort to moving some of you into the garage, but I'm sure it won't
come to that. Though it _is_ a fairly nice comfortable garage once
Magic (my excuse for a car) has been removed. It even has a lounge :).

Note that I have three gaming-capable machines here already (. I'll
assign one of them to Andrew and the other spare one to whoever
decides that their machine is too crap to bother bringing along
(Hip-Bone?) ;-).

Bringing along your own bits of blue string (or alternative colour if
you prefer) would be helpful, as I only have a few spare. Everyone
bringing a machine should definitely bring their own powerboard,
otherwise power-plug sourcing becomes more than a bit tricky.
I recommend bringing along a set of usable headphones (if you can) in
addition to your normal speaker, just as a backup in case the power
and/or power-plug demands get excessive.

I also have one (1) 8-port switch and two (2) 8-port hubs. Another
switch would certainly be helpful if someone has one they can afford
to bring along (Karl? Ken?)

Games?.... Well, I'm leaning towards Quake3 Jailbreak[1] and Quake3
Urban Terror v3[2] myself, but I'm sure we'll be able to fit in some
maniacal Unreal Tournament and perhaps even some Quake 3 Fortress[3]
if we get enough players.

And of course the simple but dreadfully addictive BZFlag.... and all
right Roger, if you come along, I'm sure we can do a bit of Armagetron
too... [bloody Tron addicts *grin*].


Pete.

[0] That includes the three I've already got here, so we have room for
_another_ 7-9 machines, depending on various factors. :)

[1] Lots of really good maps for small teams. Encourages you to stay
alive and not just wildly run around fragging like a deranged lunatic
(ie. me).

[2] Usually best described as Counterstrike-like. Except it runs on
Win/Mac/Linux without any problems. The v3 release was only made a few
weeks ago, and it is pretty damn nice. Algernon is nasty with a G36.

[3] A really nice Team Fortress-style mod, even if it hasn't been
updated for a while. Usually it needs at least 8 players (4-on-4) for
a reasonable game.

[4] You can come a bit earlier (not before 10am though :)), if you
want to reserve a good spot in the garage *grin* and/or get your
machine nicely pre-configured.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Klingon programmer sayings:
7. "What is this talk of 'release'? Klingons do not make software
'releases.' Our software 'escapes' leaving a bloody trail of
designers and quality assurance people in its wake."
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Aug 27 11:44:31 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Aug 27 11:53:47 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Old Macs
In-Reply-To: <20030827101804.A1284@shugg.net>
References: <200382775336.330022@MOEBIUS> <20030827101804.A1284@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030827034431.GA836@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 27/08 10:18:07, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Scott:
> > We have an old Mac Classic II  - yes, yes its true - with standard
> > b&w 9" screen, 80MB HDD etc.. that Phillip used in the early 90's
> > to write his thesis.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooh.

> > I've discovered - *gasp* - that no one will give me so much as $10
> > for it!  Despite it still being in great working condition (except
> > the battery).  It even has Boulderdash!
> 
> Woohoo!  LAN-party Fungus box!!!!  =)

Ahhhhh.... Fungus..... Heh heh heh... *evil grin*

Though you should be careful with this sort of stuff, Andrew - Fungus
can be dangerous. I don't think you were there are J&K's place for the
LAN party that ended with a three-hour Fungus game (on Cameron's Mac)
between Cam, Jocelyn, Karl and myself...

("Wow! Cool, man..." *chompchompchomp*)

> Andrew.

BTW, Mister Scooty, I'd certainly be delighted to take it off your
hands for $10 (I can assure you it'd be going to a very good home :).
I well remember the joys of ancient Mac games on such machines (mmm,
Uninvited) in the late eighties - though it was '95 before I was
introduced to Fungus. And that was on a wussy _colour_ display, I
think. Urgh. :-)

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
I didn't do it! Nobody saw me do it! Can't prove anything!
                -- Bart Simpson
From algernon at aloku.net  Wed Aug 27 12:03:50 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Wed Aug 27 12:33:29 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty]  Start your engines.... (LAN party this
	Saturday, 30th August)
In-Reply-To: <20030827113058.D9862@barbrady.flooble.net.au>
References: <20030827113058.D9862@barbrady.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <200308271203.50107.algernon@aloku.net>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:30, Peter Wright wrote:
> (Well, if not start them right _now_, at least check that they're in
> startable order.)

Unlike Magic? :)

> LAN party this Saturday. 11am till we stop[4]. My place.
>
> Address: Unit 4, 8 Ravenswood Drive, Nollamara
> Phone:   9349 7118 or 0401 177 696

<snip>

> Note that I have three gaming-capable machines here already (. I'll
> assign one of them to Andrew and the other spare one to whoever
> decides that their machine is too crap to bother bringing along
> (Hip-Bone?) ;-).

Well, I'll bring my spare.  Actually, Andrew might want to use that one and 
someone else can use your spare, seeing as his settings are still on it.

> Bringing along your own bits of blue string (or alternative colour if
> you prefer) would be helpful, as I only have a few spare. Everyone
> bringing a machine should definitely bring their own powerboard,
> otherwise power-plug sourcing becomes more than a bit tricky.

I have some grey, some pinkish and some yellow string as well... any other 
colours we can bring?  Rainbow-LAN!  (Okay, I'll stop now).

Anyway, should I bring a spare extension lead or two so we can draw extra 
power from other rooms/neighbours?

> I also have one (1) 8-port switch and two (2) 8-port hubs. Another
> switch would certainly be helpful if someone has one they can afford
> to bring along (Karl? Ken?)

Yep.  The usual 16-port.  Plus I'll bring my dual-speed hub for those slobs on 
10mbps, so they don't pollute the rest of our network :)

Oh, yeah, I'll be there, in case you hadn't guessed :)

- Karl

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Aug 27 13:02:18 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Aug 27 13:09:28 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty]  Start your engines.... (LAN party this
	Saturday, 30th August)
In-Reply-To: <200308271203.50107.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <20030827113058.D9862@barbrady.flooble.net.au>
	<200308271203.50107.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20030827050218.GC925@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 27/08 12:03:50, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:30, Peter Wright wrote:
> > (Well, if not start them right _now_, at least check that they're in
> > startable order.)
> 
> Unlike Magic? :)

:-PPPP

Magic _starts_ okay... with a bit of gentle persuasion. :)

> > Note that I have three gaming-capable machines here already (.
[ snip ]
> Well, I'll bring my spare.  Actually, Andrew might want to use that
> one and someone else can use your spare, seeing as his settings are
> still on it.

Oooh, okay (btw, I'll have _two_ spares, just to clarify - Jodie will
be at work all day, so her machine should be available).

For those who haven't been to one of the last few LAN parties, you may
not have realised this but we've actually tended to have more machines
than people - which is a bit unfortunate. So if there's anyone else on
the list who would like to come along and join in if they didn't have
to go to the trouble of bringing their own machine, speak up now! :)

> > Bringing along your own bits of blue string (or alternative colour
> > if you prefer) would be helpful, as I only have a few spare.
> 
> I have some grey, some pinkish and some yellow string as well... any
> other colours we can bring?  Rainbow-LAN!  (Okay, I'll stop now).

Good. 

*pete puts away gaffa-tape he was about to wrap around Karl's mouth*

> Anyway, should I bring a spare extension lead or two so we can draw
> extra power from other rooms/neighbours?

That'd be good, yes. I think I've only got one spare extension cord.

> > I also have one (1) 8-port switch and two (2) 8-port hubs. Another
> > switch would certainly be helpful if someone has one they can
> > afford to bring along (Karl? Ken?)
> 
> Yep.  The usual 16-port.  Plus I'll bring my dual-speed hub for
> those slobs on 10mbps, so they don't pollute the rest of our network :)

You just had to use the word "pollute", didn't you? *grin*

(don't worry 10-speeders, we still love you)

> Oh, yeah, I'll be there, in case you hadn't guessed :)

Woohoo.

> - Karl

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
If I had any humility I would be perfect.
		-- Ted Turner
From david at shugg.net  Sun Aug 24 11:42:22 2003
From: david at shugg.net (David Shugg)
Date: Wed Aug 27 15:09:30 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] 
	Confirmation of LAN-PARTY this coming weekend...
Message-ID: <001b01c369f1$be85a410$3ebe3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Lan-Party on the 30th @ Pete's place... Usual time?  Anything we need to bring?  I've gone and lost your address again, so I'll need directions. =)  

At this stage it looks like Clan-Bone will be at full strength for the first time in many LANS, with Mr Drizabone attending along with Mr Hip & Mr Ham...  

*Rattle Rattle*

-H.I.P.

-- 
Good judgment comes from experience. 
Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Aug 27 15:45:20 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Aug 27 15:49:32 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Confirmation of LAN-PARTY this coming
	weekend...
In-Reply-To: <001b01c369f1$be85a410$3ebe3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <001b01c369f1$be85a410$3ebe3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030827074520.GF925@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 24/08 11:42:22, David Shugg wrote:
> Lan-Party on the 30th @ Pete's place... Usual time?  Anything we
> need to bring?  I've gone and lost your address again, so I'll need
> directions. =)  

Unit 4, 8 Ravenswood Drive, Nollamara.

Drive north up Wanneroo Rd, then turn right into Ravenswood (about 1-2
minutes past the 24-hour McDonalds[0] at the intersection of Morley Dve
and Wanneroo Rd). Then almost immediately turn right again into the
number 8 driveway, then go "oh bugger, I can't park here", then pull
out and find somewhere along the road to park. ;-)

Then walk straight down the driveway to unit number 4.

If you get confused or lost at any stage, give Senior Bone a call and
he should be able to sort you out. With a bit of luck, he might even
have woken up by the time you're there! *grin*

> At this stage it looks like Clan-Bone will be at full strength for
> the first time in many LANS, with Mr Drizabone attending along with
> Mr Hip & Mr Ham...  
> 
> *Rattle Rattle*

Yikes. *pete looks scared*

I may have to resort to bringing in some fake Bones to confuse you,
such CloneBone and ETPhoneBone and BoneyM.... :)

> -H.I.P.

Pete.

[0] a useful landmark, that. :)
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Catching up with all my email after the Ireland trip. Fortunately with
Marcelo now in charge I can be a bit more ruthless with the magic "d"
button (the elm 'read email quickly' feature).
		-- Alan Cox, 27/12/2001, http://www.linux.org.uk/diary/
From fostware at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 27 17:53:18 2003
From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster)
Date: Wed Aug 27 17:58:18 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Start your engines.... (LAN party this
	Saturday, 30th August)
In-Reply-To: <20030827113058.D9862@barbrady.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <001b01c36c81$0afd76b0$2100a8c0@pccraig>

shuggnet-lanparty-bounces@shugg.net wrote:
> (Well, if not start them right _now_, at least check that they're in
> startable order.)
> 
> LAN party this Saturday. 11am till we stop[4]. My place.
> 
> Address: Unit 4, 8 Ravenswood Drive, Nollamara
> Phone:   9349 7118 or 0401 177 696
<snip>
> I also have one (1) 8-port switch and two (2) 8-port hubs. Another
> switch would certainly be helpful if someone has one they can afford
> to bring along (Karl? Ken?)
<snip>
Umm like the 16-port 10/100 switch, and the VPN Router w/in-built 10/100
8-port switch sitting in an unused pile?

I don't know whether I can arsed travelling all that way though.... :P


Craig F.
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From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 27 17:50:16 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Wed Aug 27 18:14:14 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Start your engines.... (LAN party this
	Saturday, 30th August)
References: <20030827113058.D9862@barbrady.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <003c01c36c83$9b5b3fb0$7bc93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Engines are started and running very nicely thanks, but you'd expect that from me... ;)

> Note that I have three gaming-capable machines here already (. I'll
> assign one of them to Andrew and the other spare one to whoever
> decides that their machine is too crap to bother bringing along
> (Hip-Bone?) ;-).

I'm debating bringing mine, it seems to cope with QIII Arena and UT, but the newer games are troublesome with lots of other bots/players (unless of course you consider 4-5fps a challenge... Personally its a cause of much irritation)  
I'll also be bringing along Scotto (a.k.a Drizabone) and his 'puter so I think I'll take your offer thanks Mr Phat Pete...

I can bring a couple of power boards, and will also bring Vietcong for people to have a try of... Stereotypical FPS but a new environ, will appeal to those who like to sneak around, ala Thief... =)  

- A supercharged, nitrous snorting, V8 Hip Bone.
From scottmembry at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 27 18:17:49 2003
From: scottmembry at iinet.net.au (Scott Membry)
Date: Wed Aug 27 18:37:36 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Old Macs
In-Reply-To: <20030827101804.A1284@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <2003827181749.731163@MOEBIUS>

Thanks for the interest in our old girl.  

We're going to give it to Andrew, mainly because he asked first, and 
I am sure it will be well cherished.

We have all the software and printer etc. too

Andrew.  It's yours.  When shall I deliver?

Cheers

Scooty.

PS:  'Fungus' ?

From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 27 18:23:51 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Wed Aug 27 19:02:02 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Confirmation of LAN-PARTY this coming
	weekend...
References: <001b01c369f1$be85a410$3ebe3bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <005801c36c85$502b96f0$7bc93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

There's is something seriously f'ing wrong with this damn mail server of mine... =(  I sent this message on Sunday!  Only today does it get its arse into gear and actually deliver it! Grrr!  And every second time it checks for mail it rejects my password... WTF?  Perhaps Ham-bone has been playing mind games... ;)

Excuse my little rant, we will be returning you now to your regular broadcasts.

Mr Hip Bone.

From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 27 20:05:27 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Wed Aug 27 20:10:51 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag... if anyone's interested.
Message-ID: <001701c36c93$817819f0$7bc93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

I'm currently in a game, feel free to join as its awfully lonely in here by myself. =)

Server 5165.

-Dave.
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Wed Aug 27 21:21:19 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Wed Aug 27 21:57:10 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Old Macs
In-Reply-To: <20030827034431.GA836@cartman.flooble.net.au>
References: <200382775336.330022@MOEBIUS> <20030827101804.A1284@shugg.net>
	<20030827034431.GA836@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030827132121.74D1F1C4B6@escher.takahe.net>

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On Wednesday 27 August 2003 11:44, you wrote:
> BTW, Mister Scooty, I'd certainly be delighted to take it off your
> hands for $10 (I can assure you it'd be going to a very good home :).
> I well remember the joys of ancient Mac games on such machines (mmm,
> Uninvited) in the late eighties - though it was '95 before I was
> introduced to Fungus. And that was on a wussy _colour_ display, I
> think. Urgh. :-)

I can always find use for anything which has screen and a serial port if 
Pete's house gets too full. Does it have a serial port?

Anthony
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From fostware at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 27 22:02:03 2003
From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster)
Date: Wed Aug 27 22:17:47 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Old Macs
In-Reply-To: <20030827132121.74D1F1C4B6@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <003d01c36ca3$cab7d460$2100a8c0@pccraig>

shuggnet-lanparty-bounces@shugg.net wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Wednesday 27 August 2003 11:44, you wrote:
>> BTW, Mister Scooty, I'd certainly be delighted to take it off your
>> hands for $10 (I can assure you it'd be going to a very good home :).
>> I well remember the joys of ancient Mac games on such machines (mmm,
>> Uninvited) in the late eighties - though it was '95 before I was
>> introduced to Fungus. And that was on a wussy _colour_ display, I
>> think. Urgh. :-)
> 
> I can always find use for anything which has screen and a serial port
> if Pete's house gets too full. Does it have a serial port?
> 
> Anthony

Yes, though it's rs-422 - not rs-232....

Craig F.
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From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Aug 27 23:52:53 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Aug 28 03:49:48 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Start your engines.... (LAN party this
	Saturday, 30th August)
In-Reply-To: <001b01c36c81$0afd76b0$2100a8c0@pccraig>;
	from fostware@iinet.net.au on Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 05:53:18PM +0800
References: <20030827113058.D9862@barbrady.flooble.net.au>
	<001b01c36c81$0afd76b0$2100a8c0@pccraig>
Message-ID: <20030827235251.A4243@shugg.net>

Quoth Craig:
> Umm like the 16-port 10/100 switch, and the VPN Router w/in-built 10/100
> 8-port switch sitting in an unused pile?
> 
> I don't know whether I can arsed travelling all that way though.... :P

Craig I'll happily walk to your place from Pete's house and carry them
back there myself.  Save you the effort ...  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From eggrogue at bigpond.net.au  Wed Aug 27 23:11:29 2003
From: eggrogue at bigpond.net.au (George)
Date: Thu Aug 28 03:57:27 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Re: removal from list
In-Reply-To: <003c01c36c83$9b5b3fb0$7bc93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <20030827113058.D9862@barbrady.flooble.net.au>
 <003c01c36c83$9b5b3fb0$7bc93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <19847846119.20030827231129@bigpond.net.au>

Sorry to bother people, but can whoever the admin is please remove me
from this list? Thanks.

-- 
Cheers,
 George


From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Aug 28 21:05:43 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Aug 28 21:07:38 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag... if anyone's interested.
In-Reply-To: <001701c36c93$817819f0$7bc93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <001701c36c93$817819f0$7bc93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030828130543.GH925@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 27/08 20:05:27, David Shugg wrote:
> I'm currently in a game, feel free to join as its awfully lonely in
> here by myself. =)

I'm currently in a game by myself now.

Server ken.highway1.com.au, port 5155, if anyone'd like to join and
have a blast at me. ;-)

> -Dave.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
	Lassie looked brilliant, in part because the farm family she
lived with was made up of idiots.  Remember?  One of them was always
getting pinned under the tractor, and Lassie was always rushing back to
the farmhouse to alert the other ones.  She'd whimper and tug at their
sleeves, and they'd always waste precious minutes saying things: "Do
you think something's wrong?  Do you think she wants us to follow her?
What is it, girl?", etc., as if this had never happened before, instead
of every week.  What with all the time these people spent pinned under
the tractor, I don't see how they managed to grow any crops whatsoever.
They probably got by on federal crop supports, which Lassie filed the
applications for.  -- Dave Barry
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Fri Aug 29 18:43:25 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug 29 18:46:17 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag... if anyone's interested.
References: <001701c36c93$817819f0$7bc93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030828130543.GH925@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <009e01c36e1a$60badd50$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Server ken.highway1.com.au, port 5155, if anyone'd like to join and
have target practice! ;)
 
 -Dave.
 

From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Fri Aug 29 18:55:38 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug 29 18:57:18 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag... if anyone's interested.
References: 
	<001701c36c93$817819f0$7bc93bcb@internal.neep.com.au><20030828130543.GH925@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<009e01c36e1a$60badd50$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <00a801c36e1c$15da8d10$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

C'mon guys... You need practice for tomorrow...
HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer
nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive car
parts not far from the object we are trying to hit.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Shugg" <dshugg@iinet.net.au>
To: "Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties." <shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag... if anyone's interested.


Server ken.highway1.com.au, port 5155, if anyone'd like to join and
have target practice! ;)
 
 -Dave.
 

    
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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Aug 29 19:38:04 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Aug 29 19:39:49 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag... if anyone's interested.
In-Reply-To: <00a801c36e1c$15da8d10$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <009e01c36e1a$60badd50$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<00a801c36e1c$15da8d10$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030829113804.GB23536@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 29/08 18:55:38, David Shugg wrote:
> C'mon guys... You need practice for tomorrow...

Heh - well, I'm going out to look up in the sky through telescopes
now, but if you're online later I'll see if I can arrange to blow you
up a few times. :)

> HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer
> nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive car
> parts not far from the object we are trying to hit.

Hammer-Bone? :)

Pete
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Snoopy: No problem is so big that it can't be run away from.
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Fri Aug 29 23:26:25 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug 29 23:29:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag... if anyone's interested.
References: 
	<009e01c36e1a$60badd50$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au><00a801c36e1c$15da8d10$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030829113804.GB23536@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <00bc01c36e41$e9a35170$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

You back yet Pete?

Time for shooting!! =)

-Dave.
From andrew at shugg.net  Fri Aug 29 23:37:16 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Aug 29 23:39:25 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag... if anyone's interested.
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c36e41$e9a35170$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>;
	from dshugg@iinet.net.au on Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:26:25PM +0800
References: 
	<009e01c36e1a$60badd50$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au><00a801c36e1c$15da8d10$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030829113804.GB23536@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<00bc01c36e41$e9a35170$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030829233713.A9469@shugg.net>

Quoth David:
> You back yet Pete?
> 
> Time for shooting!! =)
> 
> -Dave.

I'm here ... I'll cycle through the servers and wait for you.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Sat Aug 30 09:54:07 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Sat Aug 30 09:56:39 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag... if anyone's interested.
In-Reply-To: <20030829233713.A9469@shugg.net>
References: <20030829113804.GB23536@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<00bc01c36e41$e9a35170$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030829233713.A9469@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20030830015407.GA802@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 29/08 23:37:16, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth David:
> > You back yet Pete?
> > 
> > Time for shooting!! =)
> > 
> > -Dave.
> 
> I'm here ... I'll cycle through the servers and wait for you.  =)

You may all be amused to know that me, Jodes, Shiv, Roger, Raif and
Lindsay went to a "little" thing in Mt Hawthorn outside a telescope
shop, where there turned out to be a whole shitload of people queueing
to use the big-arse funky telescopes to have a look at Mars.

We queued up too - had a look - I at least went "Hmm, that wasn't
particularly exciting, just a slightly larger and brighter blob."
The dude controlling the scope suggested we try a bit later in the
evening, and so we had the bright idea of coming back here for a
while and then returning a bit later (seriously, there was quite a lot
of people).

So we did. Came back here. Watched TV for a while. Then I fired up
cartman (you can see where this is going, can't you? ;-)) and started
a BZFlag deathmatch game with chef, cartman and the Bitch (Jodie's
machine).

...and we didn't end up going back to the telescope thing after all :).

But we did get to watch Glass House, which was most amusing. And we
did purchase quite a few raffle tickets at the telescope place - for
which the prize is a shiny new telescope (ooooh, new toy).

> Andrew.

So my apologies Andrew and Dave, but Raif, Lindsay, Roger and I were
quite involved in playing out our own epic LAN-based BZFlag battle.

And I'd just like to say that Roger is an evil bastard when he starts
bouncing - I'd previously blamed lag for me being unable to hit him
when he's bouncing (in a modem-link game), but it turns out that the
reason I couldn't hit him was that I was just a crap shot. :)

Roger also had a nice little run with the Steamroller flag for a while
- it took Raif and Lindsay some time to work out why they kept
dying whenever Rog touched them. I especially liked it when they
jumped and he drove underneath them so they ended up landing on him
(and dying). From a spectator's point of view, very funny. *grin*


Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
	"Surely you can't be serious."
	"I am serious, and stop calling me Shirley."
		-- "Flying High"
From rfarcich at iprimus.com.au  Sat Aug 30 21:28:18 2003
From: rfarcich at iprimus.com.au (Oh great an email from Raif)
Date: Sat Aug 30 21:31:59 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag... if anyone's interested.
References: 
	<20030829113804.GB23536@cartman.flooble.net.au><00bc01c36e41$e9a35170$86b43bcb@internal.neep.com.au><20030829233713.A9469@shugg.net>
	<20030830015407.GA802@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <000501c36efa$9428d850$0d3d86cb@bender>

Any bzflag action happening tonight? Someone save me from writing my resum?.

-Raif


From cameronm at arach.net.au  Sun Aug 31 01:23:30 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Sun Aug 31 01:26:34 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Post-lan-bzflag-recovery-match
Message-ID: <ACC30F6A-DB0E-11D7-8962-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

Anyone?

Port 5155
Cam
--
Recorded in the digital domain by an analog brain.

From andrew at shugg.net  Sun Aug 31 20:34:00 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sun Aug 31 20:50:44 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Post-lan-bzflag-recovery-match
In-Reply-To: <ACC30F6A-DB0E-11D7-8962-000393564E88@arach.net.au>;
	from cameronm@arach.net.au on Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 01:23:30AM +0800
References: <ACC30F6A-DB0E-11D7-8962-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030831203359.A2551@shugg.net>

Quoth Cameron:
> Anyone?
> 
> Port 5155
> Cam

Sorry, I think we all decided that going to sleep as soon as we got home
was the most important thing ...  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Sun Aug 31 21:55:48 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Sun Aug 31 21:58:46 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] The stuff you find...
Message-ID: <D3311D2A-DBBA-11D7-A599-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

... when you go through the source code for bzflag.

A laser shot cannot hit a cloaked tank. Interesting.

Cam
--
Recorded in the digital domain by an analog brain.

From andrew at shugg.net  Sun Aug 31 22:13:17 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sun Aug 31 22:15:28 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] The stuff you find...
In-Reply-To: <D3311D2A-DBBA-11D7-A599-000393564E88@arach.net.au>;
	from cameronm@arach.net.au on Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 09:55:48PM +0800
References: <D3311D2A-DBBA-11D7-A599-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030831221314.D2551@shugg.net>

Quoth Cameron:
> ... when you go through the source code for bzflag.
> 
> A laser shot cannot hit a cloaked tank. Interesting.
> 
> Cam

I bet that's not documented anywhere else.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Sun Aug 31 22:46:27 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Sun Aug 31 22:48:27 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] The stuff you find...
In-Reply-To: <20030831221314.D2551@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <E6CD2342-DBC1-11D7-A599-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

To quote Andrew:
> I bet that's not documented anywhere else.  =)

I'll take that bet. :)

http://bzflag.sourceforge.net/developers/flags.php

"Some flags are handily defeated with another kind of flag. The 
oscillation overthruster can be destroyed by a super bullet or a shock 
wave (or a genocide). Cloaking is effective against laser and stealth 
is good against guided missile."

Obscure, but it's there.

Cam
--
"The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be 
a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the 
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" See 
http://astro.bu.edu/~avondale/Humor/MiscellaneousHumor/Warnings.html

From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Thu Sep  4 10:23:12 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Thu Sep  4 10:25:49 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <20030821210535.E2698@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <BBC05BDA-DE7E-11D7-9D1A-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 09:05 PM, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> When I connect my console thingy says that you're running version 1.7g0
> on the server, is that right Ken?  The latest release is 1.7g2; I don't
> know if there were any significant fixes between those two, but do you
> think you could bring it up to 1.7g2 sometime?

OK - I finally got around to this - we're now running g2

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Thu Sep  4 17:09:48 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Thu Sep  4 17:12:37 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <BBC05BDA-DE7E-11D7-9D1A-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <88D69FC3-DEB7-11D7-9D1A-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>


On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 10:23 AM, Ken Taylor wrote:

> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 09:05 PM, Andrew Shugg wrote:
>> When I connect my console thingy says that you're running version 
>> 1.7g0
>> on the server, is that right Ken?  The latest release is 1.7g2; I 
>> don't
>> know if there were any significant fixes between those two, but do you
>> think you could bring it up to 1.7g2 sometime?
>
> OK - I finally got around to this - we're now running g2

So - anyone interested in testing it now?

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Thu Sep  4 17:50:51 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Thu Sep  4 17:53:40 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag proposal
In-Reply-To: <88D69FC3-DEB7-11D7-9D1A-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <45053B84-DEBD-11D7-9D1A-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 05:09 PM, Ken Taylor wrote:
> On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 10:23 AM, Ken Taylor wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 09:05 PM, Andrew Shugg wrote:
>>> When I connect my console thingy says that you're running version 
>>> 1.7g0
>>> on the server, is that right Ken?  The latest release is 1.7g2; I 
>>> don't
>>> know if there were any significant fixes between those two, but do 
>>> you
>>> think you could bring it up to 1.7g2 sometime?
>>
>> OK - I finally got around to this - we're now running g2
>
> So - anyone interested in testing it now?

Thanks Karl!

(I really must stop replying to myself)

I've also been playing with custom worlds, there's a funky world with 
teleporters and other neat things running on port 5185.

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Sep  4 20:49:53 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Sep  4 20:53:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] (BZFlag)  Lonely Ham-Bone
Message-ID: <20030904204951.A3518@shugg.net>

Hello???  Anyone out there?

I've just looked on ports 5155, 5165, 5175 and 5185 and can't find any
games in progress.  Woe is me!  I want to do some shooting but it gets
boring just shooting yourself with rebounds.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Fri Sep  5 16:36:03 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Fri Sep  5 16:37:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag game on now
Message-ID: <FC07D66C-DF7B-11D7-9C22-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

on port 5195 - checking out a new world.

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Sep  5 20:44:21 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Sep  5 20:46:05 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag game on now
In-Reply-To: <FC07D66C-DF7B-11D7-9C22-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
References: <FC07D66C-DF7B-11D7-9C22-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030905124421.GE1490@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 05/09 16:36:03, Ken Taylor wrote:
> on port 5195 - checking out a new world.

Man, this world is cooooollll.....


I'm just wandering around it now, but it's very funky. Wheeeee.

> K

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
At Group L, Stoffel oversees six first-rate programmers, a managerial
challenge roughly comparable to herding cats.
		-- The Washington Post Magazine, 9 June, 1985
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Sep  5 21:29:59 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Sep  5 21:31:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BZFlag game on now
In-Reply-To: <20030905124421.GE1490@cartman.flooble.net.au>
References: <FC07D66C-DF7B-11D7-9C22-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
	<20030905124421.GE1490@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030905132959.GF1490@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 05/09 20:44:21, Peter Wright wrote:
> On 05/09 16:36:03, Ken Taylor wrote:
> > on port 5195 - checking out a new world.
> 
> Man, this world is cooooollll.....
> 
> I'm just wandering around it now, but it's very funky. Wheeeee.

And as Lindsay and I have discovered (although Lindsay made better use
of the discovery than me, I think) - Guided Missile is absolute death
on that map.

Yaaargh.

> > K
> 
> Pete.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
C makes it easy for you to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes that
harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg.
		-- Bjarne Stroustrup
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Sat Sep  6 23:24:35 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Sat Sep  6 23:25:57 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] BzFlag...
Message-ID: <005d01c3748a$fb1f7ec0$f0b13bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Lets have a game!  Server 5165 or whichever you like =) 

-Dave.

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Sep 11 00:05:31 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Sep 11 00:07:35 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? Pete on port 5185... :)
Message-ID: <20030910160531.GH30529@cartman.flooble.net.au>


Okay, it's midnight.

If anyone else is awake and feels like killing me, I'm on the very
pretty map at ken.highway1.com.au:5185.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day
that they start making vacuum cleaners.
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Sep 11 01:14:17 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Sep 11 01:16:10 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] XIII (looks like fun)
Message-ID: <20030911011415.J1246@shugg.net>

Yeah, it's me spamming you all again about another game in development
that I think looks cool.  (Hit delete now.)

XIII is the "upcoming multiplatform first-person shooter from Ubisoft"
as the GameSpot preview so aptly puts it.  It's based on a successful
comic franchise that I'd never heard of but I will assume is cool.  =)

The character you play starts off having suffered a loss of memory, so
you have no idea what's going on and why all these people are trying to
kill you.  Familiar maybe, but still fun.

The game looks unusual as cel-shading is used to give characters and
environments a distinctive "comic book" feel.  Have a look.  This isn't
the first one to do it (Oni springs to mind) but it looks good.  And
they claim there's more to it than just looks!  (Wow.)

  http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/xiii/preview_6074827.html

And how can you not love a game that writes "BAOOMM" in big white
letters over an explosion from your rocket launcher?  =)

  http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/xiii/screens.html?page=155
  http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/xiii/screens.html?page=140
  http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/xiii/screens.html?page=123

Some other personal favourites from the screenshot gallery include
bludgeoning a guy to death with a wooden chair (bwahahahaha), the
semi-opaque motion lines of a hurled grenade, the word "Noooo!"
appearing above guys falling over as they're shot, and attacking a
heavily armed guard with a big chunk of glass.

The visual sound effects (No!, BAM, BAOOMM etc) are pretty cool.  I
haven't spotted a "WHAMMO" yet for the Adam West fans, and as an old
Roger Ramjet devotee I'd like to see lines like "Ouch!", "Hurt Hurt" and
"Where's the Dentist?" ...  =)

Andrew "not violent really, just into the humour" S.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Sep 11 10:44:08 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Sep 11 10:46:23 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? Pete on port 5185... :)
In-Reply-To: <20030910160531.GH30529@cartman.flooble.net.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 12:05:31AM
	+0800
References: <20030910160531.GH30529@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <20030911104406.A704@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> Okay, it's midnight.
> 
> If anyone else is awake and feels like killing me, I'm on the very
> pretty map at ken.highway1.com.au:5185.

Poor lonely Pete.  I hope you were able to get a bit of shooting in.
It'd be nice if BZFlag could have bots - even really really dumb ones.
Or NPCs like cows or something to shoot at.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From stone_monkey at telstra.com  Thu Sep 11 11:08:14 2003
From: stone_monkey at telstra.com (stone_monkey)
Date: Thu Sep 11 11:09:16 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? Pete on port 5185...
 :)
Message-ID: <2c752a2ca34c.2ca34c2c752a@bigpond.com>

Hey Andrew, 
could you take me off the list, I hardly have time to read it anymore.

Many thanks,

Green

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 am
Subject: Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? Pete on port 
5185... :)

> Quoth Peter:
> > Okay, it's midnight.
> > 
> > If anyone else is awake and feels like killing me, I'm on the very
> > pretty map at ken.highway1.com.au:5185.
> 
> Poor lonely Pete.  I hope you were able to get a bit of shooting in.
> It'd be nice if BZFlag could have bots - even really really dumb 
ones.
> Or NPCs like cows or something to shoot at.  =)
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     
> http://shugg.net/andrew/
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross 
> and wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
>    
> /*  
>    
>    This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet 
> skillz.    
>    Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list 
> (ie the
>    message goes to everybody).
>    
>    More info on the web site: http://shugg.net/lanparty/
>    
>    No sheep were harmed in the creation of this message.
>    
> */  
> 
 

From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Sep 11 15:10:19 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Sep 11 15:11:32 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? Pete on port 5185... :)
In-Reply-To: <2c752a2ca34c.2ca34c2c752a@bigpond.com>;
	from stone_monkey@telstra.com on Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 11:08:14AM
	+0800
References: <2c752a2ca34c.2ca34c2c752a@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <20030911151017.C704@shugg.net>

Quoth Green:
> Hey Andrew, 
> could you take me off the list, I hardly have time to read it anymore.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Green

Argh, first George and now Green ... all the G's are leaving us.

Andrew, hoping the other letters of the alphabet will stay.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Thu Sep 11 20:40:19 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Thu Sep 11 20:41:19 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? Pete on port 5185... :)
References: <20030910160531.GH30529@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <007f01c37861$dd31b8d0$27b53bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Howz about now Mr Phat Pete?  Or anyone else of course!
Port 5185

-Mr Hip Bone. 
HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer
nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive car
parts not far from the object we are trying to hit.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Wright" <pete@flooble.apana.org.au>
To: <shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:05 AM
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? Pete on port 5185... :)


> 
> Okay, it's midnight.
> 
> If anyone else is awake and feels like killing me, I'm on the very
> pretty map at ken.highway1.com.au:5185.
> 
> Pete.
> -- 
> http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
> The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day
> that they start making vacuum cleaners.
>     
> /*  
>     
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>     
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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Sep 11 21:36:39 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Sep 11 21:37:45 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? Pete on port 5185... :)
In-Reply-To: <007f01c37861$dd31b8d0$27b53bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <20030910160531.GH30529@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<007f01c37861$dd31b8d0$27b53bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030911133639.GC24377@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 11/09 20:40:19, David Shugg wrote:
> Howz about now Mr Phat Pete?  Or anyone else of course!
> Port 5185

Well, I can see you there Mister Hip, but you're not responding.
So I'm practising shooting through you, much like I do with Roger
normally. :)

> -Mr Hip Bone. 
> HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer
> nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive car
> parts not far from the object we are trying to hit.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Premature optimization is the root of all evil.
		-- D.E. Knuth
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Fri Sep 12 22:03:18 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Fri Sep 12 22:04:44 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? Hip Bone on port 5185... :)
References: <20030910160531.GH30529@cartman.flooble.net.au><007f01c37861$dd31b8d0$27b53bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030911133639.GC24377@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <00bf01c37936$a0a33030$27b53bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

A little BzFlag anyone? :)

-Mr Hip
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Sun Sep 21 00:06:01 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Sun Sep 21 00:08:47 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? /me on 5185
Message-ID: <20030920160601.GA30230@cartman.flooble.net.au>


I'll be on the ken.highway1.com.au:5185 server for a little while, if
anyone feels up to some blasting...


Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
When I arrived at MIT as a first-year graduate student in electrical
engineering and computer science, I asked a professor for help with a
research problem. He said "The reason that you've having trouble is
that you don't know anything and you're not working very hard."
	-- Philip Greenspun, recalling valuable life lessons
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Sun Sep 21 09:21:56 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Sun Sep 21 09:25:41 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? /me on 5185
References: <20030920160601.GA30230@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <00a801c37fde$c0423ea0$26c93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Haha, how about that, I'd just finished scanning through the servers looking for a match and had gone to beda minute or so before you sent that Pete. =)  Oh well, there's always tonight! ;)

-Dave.
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Mon Sep 22 19:37:48 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Mon Sep 22 19:38:48 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? /me on 5185
In-Reply-To: <00a801c37fde$c0423ea0$26c93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
References: <20030920160601.GA30230@cartman.flooble.net.au>
	<00a801c37fde$c0423ea0$26c93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030922113748.GA10613@cartman.flooble.net.au>

On 21/09 09:21:56, David Shugg wrote:
> Haha, how about that, I'd just finished scanning through the servers
> looking for a match and had gone to beda minute or so before you
> sent that Pete. =)  Oh well, there's always tonight! ;)

:)

Okay, well, I'm online now, dammit. (as of 7:36pm, 22nd September).

Join me if you dare... :)

> -Dave.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
If at first you do succeed, try to hide your astonishment.
		-- Harry F. Banks
From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Mon Sep 22 21:38:26 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Mon Sep 22 21:39:30 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Anyone out there? /me on 5185
References: <20030920160601.GA30230@cartman.flooble.net.au><00a801c37fde$c0423ea0$26c93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>
	<20030922113748.GA10613@cartman.flooble.net.au>
Message-ID: <011c01c3810e$cde9e950$26c93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

Sorry Pete, how about now?  =)  Just finished my tea and need a good fragging! ;)

-Mr Hip.
From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Oct  6 20:39:47 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Oct  6 20:41:10 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Belated 'thank you' to deserving persons,
	and a when-can-we-do-it-all-again
Message-ID: <20031006203945.E1508@shugg.net>

Hi all,

I have some thanks to give out, from weeks and weeks ago: the last LAN
party.  (Argh.  Sorry.)

Big thanks to Pete, for hosting yet another fine LAN party at his fine
establishment, and providing some of that timeless "I can't find my
blood tester and my head is about to fall off" entertainment.  Thanks to
Jodie for being patient with us.  And thanks to Jocelyn and Karl, who
brought a machine for me to play on because they felt sorry for me.
That was really appreciated but I probably didn't even say anything at
the time, being too excited about getting into Urban Terror 3.0 ...

... and a big thanks to everyone for coming along and having fun.

So, when shall we have another?

I'd hoped to hold a LAN party here this week but it's not going to be
able to happen.  =/  Maybe in a few more weeks we can have one here ...

My friend Chris (who is not on this list, but unbelievably has read our
LAN party web page) has been given permission from his girlfriend to
offer their house for a LAN party.  He's about 20km south of the city
though, in one of these newish suburbs that have sprung up around the
rapidly lengthening Freeway.  If we can settle on a date, are there
enough people prepared to travel that far south?  I know Messrs Hip
Bone, Ham Bone and Driza Bone are all up for it.  Anyone else?

I know that things are getting busy.  November is going to be flat out
for me anyway.  So I reckon we should get another LAN day in before the
end of the month.  What say ye all???

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Mon Oct  6 22:13:03 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Mon Oct  6 22:14:06 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Belated 'thank you' to deserving persons,
	and a when-can-we-do-it-all-again
In-Reply-To: <20031006203945.E1508@shugg.net>
References: <20031006203945.E1508@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200310062213.03875.algernon@aloku.net>

On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:39, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Big thanks to Pete, for hosting yet another fine LAN party at his fine
> establishment, and providing some of that timeless "I can't find my
> blood tester and my head is about to fall off" entertainment.  Thanks to
> Jodie for being patient with us.

Ditto!

>  And thanks to Jocelyn and Karl, who
> brought a machine for me to play on because they felt sorry for me.
> That was really appreciated but I probably didn't even say anything at
> the time, being too excited about getting into Urban Terror 3.0 ...

No problems.

> ... and a big thanks to everyone for coming along and having fun.

Ditto again!

> My friend Chris (who is not on this list, but unbelievably has read our
> LAN party web page) has been given permission from his girlfriend to
> offer their house for a LAN party.  He's about 20km south of the city
> though, in one of these newish suburbs that have sprung up around the
> rapidly lengthening Freeway.  If we can settle on a date, are there
> enough people prepared to travel that far south?  I know Messrs Hip
> Bone, Ham Bone and Driza Bone are all up for it.  Anyone else?

Yeah, I'm up.  I don't know about other people, but I usually find that 
loading/unloading the car takes more time than the actual travel.

> I know that things are getting busy.  November is going to be flat out
> for me anyway.  So I reckon we should get another LAN day in before the
> end of the month.  What say ye all???

Definitely up for that myself.

BTW, probably Pete but possibly someone else, if you find yourself in 
posession of an extra Quake 3 for Linux CD (serial d7chw23w3wdap7wb), could 
you please let me know if you've got it, 'cause I hate losing things I paid 
for.

- Karl

From ajones at clear.net.nz  Tue Oct  7 08:16:13 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Tue Oct  7 08:18:06 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Belated 'thank you' to deserving persons,
	and a when-can-we-do-it-all-again
In-Reply-To: <200310062213.03875.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <20031006203945.E1508@shugg.net>
	<200310062213.03875.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20031007001615.6440D1C11F@escher.takahe.net>

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> > My friend Chris (who is not on this list, but unbelievably has read our
> > LAN party web page) has been given permission from his girlfriend to
> > offer their house for a LAN party.  He's about 20km south of the city
> > though, in one of these newish suburbs that have sprung up around the
> > rapidly lengthening Freeway.  If we can settle on a date, are there
> > enough people prepared to travel that far south?  I know Messrs Hip
> > Bone, Ham Bone and Driza Bone are all up for it.  Anyone else?
>
> Yeah, I'm up.  I don't know about other people, but I usually find that
> loading/unloading the car takes more time than the actual travel.

However the orientation kit I got when I moved to Western Australia says 
quite clearly that visiting people who live on the "other side" is strictly 
prohibited. I've also heard a rumour that the "people" who live south of the 
river aren't actaully people but are some weird kind of marsupials.

Having said all of that, it doesn't take very long to get to anywhere in 
Perth, so it doesn't matter to me where a LAN party is as long as it isn't in 
a suburb beginning with B.

Anthony
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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Oct  8 20:22:07 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Oct  8 20:23:26 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Postal 2 interview quote
Message-ID: <20031008122207.GH9505@cartman.flooble.net.au>


> We talk with Running With Scissors' Vince Desi about his thoughts on
> the state of violent gaming in today's computer and video game market.
> Be forewarned Vince speaks his mind and we didn't dare censor him.
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> Q: When "Running With Scissors" was first developing "Postal 1", what
> types of ideas went through the team's heads about how controversial
> the title was going to be? Back then did you think much about the fact
> that games could somehow "inspire" the player to commit acts that were
> portrayed in your game, or any game for that matter?
> 
> A: First let me say that if I thought we could make a game that would
> honestly motivate people to do things in real life, then I would make
> a game about fucking, cause this world needs more sex than killing
> that's for shit sure. 

http://www.ownt.com/the_state_of/violent_gaming/violent_gaming.shtm


I think I need to find my copy of Postal 1 and give it another go. :):)


Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"A retrospective of the 'good 'ole days' of the Net when men were real
men, all computers ran Unix, and the Web seemed like a good idea."  
    -- third in a list of ideas for articles about the history of the
       Net by Paul Stephanouk
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Wed Oct  8 23:17:33 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Wed Oct  8 23:21:40 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Matt can't get on the list.
Message-ID: <8A831F01-F9A2-11D7-9374-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

I don't know who's in charge of this list or the website for this list 
but Matt has been trying to get onto this list for a while now, with no 
luck.

If someone could add his address? sillypup@webace.com.au

Thanks
Cam
--
Recorded in the digital domain by an analog brain.

From dshugg at iinet.net.au  Thu Oct  9 00:13:28 2003
From: dshugg at iinet.net.au (David Shugg)
Date: Thu Oct  9 00:15:24 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Matt can't get on the list.
References: <8A831F01-F9A2-11D7-9374-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <003901c38db7$1cdf8c90$15c93bcb@internal.neep.com.au>

> I don't know who's in charge of this list or the website for this list 
> but Matt has been trying to get onto this list for a while now, with no 
> luck.

That'd be the job of Mr Ham Bone.... When he can be bothered that is... ;)

Oh and tell Matt LAN party members should get a discount at the Sth Perth Maccas drive through... ;)  =D

-Hip Bone.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cameron MacFarland" <cameronm@arach.net.au>
To: <shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:17 PM
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Matt can't get on the list.


> 
> If someone could add his address? sillypup@webace.com.au
> 
> Thanks
> Cam
> --
> Recorded in the digital domain by an analog brain.
> 
>     
> /*  
>     
>     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>     
>     Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
>     message goes to everybody).
>     
>     More info on the web site: http://shugg.net/lanparty/
>     
>     No sheep were harmed in the creation of this message.
>     
> */  
> 
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Oct  9 14:24:36 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Oct  9 14:26:11 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Matt can't get on the list.
In-Reply-To: <8A831F01-F9A2-11D7-9374-000393564E88@arach.net.au>;
	from cameronm@arach.net.au on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:17:33PM
	+0800
References: <8A831F01-F9A2-11D7-9374-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <20031009142434.A1351@shugg.net>

Quoth Cameron:
> I don't know who's in charge of this list or the website for this list
> but Matt has been trying to get onto this list for a while now, with
> no luck.

I wasn't aware of anyone having any difficulties: sorry, Matt.  You're
on the list now.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Tue Oct 14 22:16:32 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Tue Oct 14 22:11:03 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag banjo
Message-ID: <20031014221632.J18372@flooble.apana.org.au>



Well... Karl, Roger and I have managed to synchronise brain cells
sufficiently that we're going to have a bit of a BZFlag bash starting
sometime in the next 30 minutes or so.


If you'd like to join us, please do. 

ken.highway1.com.au, port 5185.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.
                                               -- Dave Parnas
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Tue Oct 14 22:29:44 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Tue Oct 14 22:36:11 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag banjo
In-Reply-To: <20031014221632.J18372@flooble.apana.org.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 10:16:32PM
	+0800
References: <20031014221632.J18372@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <20031014222944.K18372@flooble.apana.org.au>

On 14/10 22:16:32, Peter Wright wrote:
> Well... Karl, Roger and I have managed to synchronise brain cells
> sufficiently that we're going to have a bit of a BZFlag bash starting
> sometime in the next 30 minutes or so.
> 
> 
> If you'd like to join us, please do. 
> 
> ken.highway1.com.au, port 5185.

Well, it looks like that idea might not be a go after all, as it's
looking suspiciously like the ken.highway1.com.au BZFlag servers are
not, in fact, running.

I hope you're not going to tell me that you rebooted the machine and
didn't put those servers in the startup scripts, Ken... :-))

> Pete.

Oh the humanity..... anyway....

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
~
~
~
".signature" 4 lines, 50 characters written
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Wed Oct 15 09:30:51 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Wed Oct 15 09:34:08 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag banjo
In-Reply-To: <20031014222944.K18372@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <362A9BCC-FEAF-11D7-961F-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 10:29 PM, Peter Wright wrote:
> On 14/10 22:16:32, Peter Wright wrote:
>> Well... Karl, Roger and I have managed to synchronise brain cells
>> sufficiently that we're going to have a bit of a BZFlag bash starting
>> sometime in the next 30 minutes or so.
>>
>>
>> If you'd like to join us, please do.
>>
>> ken.highway1.com.au, port 5185.
>
> Well, it looks like that idea might not be a go after all, as it's
> looking suspiciously like the ken.highway1.com.au BZFlag servers are
> not, in fact, running.
>
> I hope you're not going to tell me that you rebooted the machine and
> didn't put those servers in the startup scripts, Ken... :-))

Umm, no - given that nobody had used them for a longish time, when I 
rebuilt my firewall, I didn't reopen the ports.

I'll do that now, if there's still interest :)

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Oct 15 13:44:55 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Oct 15 14:00:37 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag banjo
In-Reply-To: <362A9BCC-FEAF-11D7-961F-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>;
	from ken@staff.highway1.com.au on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 09:30:51AM
	+0800
References: <20031014222944.K18372@flooble.apana.org.au>
	<362A9BCC-FEAF-11D7-961F-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <20031015134453.C883@shugg.net>

Quoth Ken:
> Umm, no - given that nobody had used them for a longish time, when I 
> rebuilt my firewall, I didn't reopen the ports.
> 
> I'll do that now, if there's still interest :)

That would be great, thanks: I'd wondered why nobody was talking about
playing it on this list any more!

Andrew.

P.S.  banjo?  what are you talking about Pete?

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Wed Oct 15 14:19:27 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Wed Oct 15 14:22:19 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag banjo
In-Reply-To: <20031015134453.C883@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <877ACD06-FED7-11D7-88B1-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 01:44 PM, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Ken:
>> Umm, no - given that nobody had used them for a longish time, when I
>> rebuilt my firewall, I didn't reopen the ports.
>>
>> I'll do that now, if there's still interest :)
>
> That would be great, thanks: I'd wondered why nobody was talking about
> playing it on this list any more!

Bah - I only rebuilt the firewall on Monday!

Just coincidence that nobody had discussed it until then!

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Wed Oct 15 14:16:01 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Wed Oct 15 15:41:18 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag banjo
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD0213799D@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


Pete's just nuts. Just leave him strumming away on his porch.

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Andrew Shugg
> Reply To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Sent: 	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 13:44 PM
> To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Subject: 	Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag banjo
> 
> Quoth Ken:
> > Umm, no - given that nobody had used them for a longish time, when I 
> > rebuilt my firewall, I didn't reopen the ports.
> > 
> > I'll do that now, if there's still interest :)
> 
> That would be great, thanks: I'd wondered why nobody was talking about
> playing it on this list any more!
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> P.S.  banjo?  what are you talking about Pete?
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
> http://shugg.net/andrew/
> 
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and
> wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
>     
> /*  
>     
>     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>     
>     Email shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net to send a reply to the list (ie the
>     message goes to everybody).
>     
>     More info on the web site: http://shugg.net/lanparty/
>     
>     No sheep were harmed in the creation of this message.
>     
> */  
> 
> 
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Oct 15 22:21:07 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Oct 15 22:22:23 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag banjo
In-Reply-To: <877ACD06-FED7-11D7-88B1-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>;
	from ken@staff.highway1.com.au on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 02:19:27PM
	+0800
References: <20031015134453.C883@shugg.net>
	<877ACD06-FED7-11D7-88B1-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <20031015222106.H883@shugg.net>

Quoth Ken:
> Bah - I only rebuilt the firewall on Monday!

(That's why the office was getting so hot.)

> Just coincidence that nobody had discussed it until then!
> 
> K

One man's coincidence is another's conspiracy theory!  I smell black
helicopters!

Hmm.  Sorry.  Must be BZFlag withdrawal symptoms.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Sat Oct 18 17:19:52 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Sat Oct 18 17:21:15 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] bzflag banjo
In-Reply-To: <20031015222106.H883@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <3AAD082C-014C-11D8-95D3-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 10:21 PM, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Ken:
>> Bah - I only rebuilt the firewall on Monday!
>
> (That's why the office was getting so hot.)
>
>> Just coincidence that nobody had discussed it until then!
>>
>> K
>
> One man's coincidence is another's conspiracy theory!  I smell black
> helicopters!
>
> Hmm.  Sorry.  Must be BZFlag withdrawal symptoms.

OK - I just moved the bzflag servers to a new host (same IP address)..

Anyone care to test them for me?

I'll be on 5185 for a while waiting to be shot at...

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From algernon at aloku.net  Sun Oct 19 18:28:13 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Sun Oct 19 18:29:25 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next lanparty?
Message-ID: <200310191828.13507.algernon@aloku.net>

There were some vague rumblings about having one before the end of the month. 
I'd volunteer this place except it's not available due to rennovations.  
Anyone going to volunteer a date and a place?

- Karl

From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Oct 22 22:59:14 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Oct 23 01:06:14 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next lanparty?
In-Reply-To: <200310191828.13507.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 06:28:13PM +0800
References: <200310191828.13507.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20031022225912.B2337@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> There were some vague rumblings about having one before the end of the
> month.  I'd volunteer this place except it's not available due to
> rennovations.  Anyone going to volunteer a date and a place?

We've got a volunteered place - Chris Gray's house in Atwell, way-arse
south of the river.  =)

The date though, seems to be the problem: there's not a lot of October
left, and we choristers at least are quite busy for the next few weeks.
What are other peoples' schedules like?  Sunday November 2nd could be
good for a post-PUCS-concert LAN day, if any of us are fit to drive
computers after the post-PUCS-concert party.  =D

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From sillypup at webace.com.au  Thu Oct 23 12:59:24 2003
From: sillypup at webace.com.au (Matthew Bressington)
Date: Thu Oct 23 13:01:46 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan Party
Message-ID: <001101c39922$713396d0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>

I wouldn't be able to make one till Sat Nov 22nd..... it's my next weekend off because of my Birthday....28 I'm getting old 

but still not as old as some....

I don't think you guys want to wait that long though....

keep me posted...

Matthew B : )
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From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Oct 23 21:58:20 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Oct 23 21:59:30 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan Party
In-Reply-To: <001101c39922$713396d0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>;
	from sillypup@webace.com.au on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 12:59:24PM
	+0800
References: <001101c39922$713396d0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
Message-ID: <20031023215815.E1237@shugg.net>

Quoth Matthew:
> I wouldn't be able to make one till Sat Nov 22nd..... it's my next
> weekend off because of my Birthday....28 I'm getting old 
> 
> but still not as old as some....

True - Pete will always be an old Fart.

> I don't think you guys want to wait that long though....
> 
> keep me posted...
> 
> Matthew B : )

I suppose we could give you a birthday LAN party.  =)

So, is anyone free _before_ then or should we just try and aim to run
one at the end of November?

Dates of the coming weekends are:

  25th and 26th October
  1st and 2nd November
  8th and 9th November
  15th and 16th November
  22nd and 23rd November

I appear to be free on Sunday Nov 2nd, Sunday Nov 9th, and the 16th, and
the 23rd, but not on any of the corresponding Saturdays.  Hmm.  We've
tended in the past to have the LAN parties on Saturdays I think, but
what do people think about Sundays?

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From sillypup at webace.com.au  Fri Oct 24 20:41:18 2003
From: sillypup at webace.com.au (Matthew Bressington)
Date: Fri Oct 24 21:01:47 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan Party
References: <001101c39922$713396d0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<20031023215815.E1237@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c39a2c$22d0be90$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>

I can make the Sunday 23rd as well....




From algernon at aloku.net  Fri Oct 24 17:54:06 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Fri Oct 24 21:20:50 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan Party
In-Reply-To: <20031023215815.E1237@shugg.net>
References: <001101c39922$713396d0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<20031023215815.E1237@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200310241754.06986.algernon@aloku.net>

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:58, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Matthew:
> > I wouldn't be able to make one till Sat Nov 22nd..... it's my next
> > weekend off because of my Birthday....28 I'm getting old

<snip>

> I suppose we could give you a birthday LAN party.  =)
>
> So, is anyone free _before_ then or should we just try and aim to run
> one at the end of November?

Well, I'm up for one earlier, but I suspect that it's most realistic to aim 
for the end of November.  What do others say? Tobes? Wes? Anthony? Pete? 
Anybody else? *prod* *prod*

> Dates of the coming weekends are:
>
>   25th and 26th October
>   1st and 2nd November
>   8th and 9th November
>   15th and 16th November
>   22nd and 23rd November
>
> I appear to be free on Sunday Nov 2nd, Sunday Nov 9th, and the 16th, and
> the 23rd, but not on any of the corresponding Saturdays.  Hmm.  We've
> tended in the past to have the LAN parties on Saturdays I think, but
> what do people think about Sundays?

For me it's largely irrelevant now, but since the last LAN at least two more 
people have Gotten Themselves Full-Time Jobs[0].  The workers will probably 
prefer Saturdays, I suspect.

- Karl

[0] Yes, those inconsiderate bastards :)

From andrew at shugg.net  Fri Oct 24 22:30:14 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Fri Oct 24 22:35:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan Party
In-Reply-To: <200310241754.06986.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 05:54:06PM +0800
References: <001101c39922$713396d0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<20031023215815.E1237@shugg.net>
	<200310241754.06986.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20031024223013.A2578@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> For me it's largely irrelevant now, but since the last LAN at least
> two more people have Gotten Themselves Full-Time Jobs[0].  The workers
> will probably prefer Saturdays, I suspect.

What??  Employment?  Who's employed?  That wasn't already, I mean.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Fri Oct 24 23:21:00 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Fri Oct 24 23:22:42 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan Party
In-Reply-To: <20031024223013.A2578@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <AC59440A-0635-11D8-AECD-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

> What??  Employment?  Who's employed?  That wasn't already, I mean.  =)
>
> Andrew.

That would be me I'm afraid. Sorry about that.

As part of the worker elite(?) my preference is for Saturday.
Also I need a LAN to stress test my new switch, muhahaha!

Cam
--
"Oh, a lesson in changing history from Mister I'm-my-own-grandfather!"
-- Professor Farnsworth from Futurama

From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Oct 27 21:32:13 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Oct 27 21:33:34 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] WTF-Q3A
Message-ID: <20031027213208.N401@shugg.net>

Just quickly: found something that might be interesting at a future LAN
party, called WTF-Q3A.  Good for DM and CTF ...

  http://www.planetquake.com/wtf-q3a/

  The concept of WTF-Q3A is quite simple. By default, everybody starts
  with full ammo, and only 1 weapon. By doing so, the WTF-Q3A looks like
  a MOD, but it's really conventional maps, humm! The focus is on
  gameplay through raw skill, not weapon manipulation. 

The maps are small and look pretty intense.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Tue Oct 28 02:08:26 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Tue Oct 28 02:09:34 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] WTF-Q3A
In-Reply-To: <20031027213208.N401@shugg.net>
References: <20031027213208.N401@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200310280208.26579.algernon@aloku.net>

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:32, Andrew Shugg wrote:
>   The concept of WTF-Q3A is quite simple. By default, everybody starts
>   with full ammo, and only 1 weapon. By doing so, the WTF-Q3A looks like
>   a MOD, but it's really conventional maps, humm! The focus is on
>   gameplay through raw skill, not weapon manipulation.

Did anyone else think 'instagib'?

> The maps are small and look pretty intense.  =)

Hmmm... sound interesting, I'll check it out (I always did like instagib).  
Now if only the site would stop giving me 111: Connection Refused....

BTW, Wes, Tobes, Anthony, everyone else - any dates preferred for the next 
LAN?  I appear to be fine with virtually any dates, myself.  What about 
others?

- Karl


From wez at raez.net  Tue Oct 28 09:56:51 2003
From: wez at raez.net (WEZ!)
Date: Tue Oct 28 09:59:01 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] WTF-Q3A
In-Reply-To: <200310280208.26579.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <20031027213208.N401@shugg.net>
	<200310280208.26579.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <p05010400bbc37cbf078c@[192.168.1.249]>

>Hmmm... sound interesting, I'll check it out (I always did like instagib). 
>Now if only the site would stop giving me 111: Connection Refused....
>
>BTW, Wes, Tobes, Anthony, everyone else - any dates preferred for the next
>LAN?  I appear to be fine with virtually any dates, myself.  What about
>others?

Honestly can't say. I haven't played much of the stuff you guys are 
playing of late and seem to be rather busy most of the time. Maybe 
will drop in on the day if i'm free but can't book anything at this 
stage i don't think. Been playing UT2003 of late. 2004 looks bloody 
good as well but no mac version yet. if we had more people who could 
play the game it would rock at Lans :)

WEZ!
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Tue Oct 28 16:44:06 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Tue Oct 28 22:46:25 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Okay, I'm here
Message-ID: <20031028084405.GC929@flooble.apana.org.au>


ken.highway1.com.au, port 5185.

Come on you lazy buggers. Ken, Andrew, Roger, Karl. C'mon, I know you're
there. Come join, so I can shoot you. :-)


Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
"For example, the easiest way to store the value of 65536 in a 32-bit
INTERCAL variable is:
    DO:1<-#0$#256 
If that's the easiest way, imagine the power at your fingertips if
you're trying to be deliberately obscure!"
    -- "Abstraction and Modularity in INTERCAL", D. Alexander Garrett
From andrew at shugg.net  Tue Oct 28 23:20:21 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Oct 28 23:21:31 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Okay, I'm here
In-Reply-To: <20031028084405.GC929@flooble.apana.org.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 04:44:06PM
	+0800
References: <20031028084405.GC929@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <20031028232017.B941@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> ken.highway1.com.au, port 5185.
> 
> Come on you lazy buggers. Ken, Andrew, Roger, Karl. C'mon, I know you're
> there. Come join, so I can shoot you. :-)
> 
> Pete.

Nah, not me mate.  I've got to go to bed ... maybe after the PUCS
concert.  Would be a hoot at the party I'm sure.  ;)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Tue Nov  4 13:09:39 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Tue Nov  4 13:12:00 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] URGENT - 2 tickets for Matrix Revolutions at La
	Premiere for sale
Message-ID: <20031104130936.O758@shugg.net>

Hi all,

Apologies for the spam.  But if you don't like it, press 'delete' now.

My brother, the infamous Mr Hip Bone, has two spare tickets to an
opening night screening of Matrix Revolutions (woohoo), at 8pm in the
Hoyts La Premiere cinemas at Carousel, Cannington.  The tickets are $25
each which includes the movie and access to the La Premiere lounge -
endless soft drink, tea & coffee, popcorn, and cheap wine and cheese at
inflated prices.  (Stick to the free stuff.)

First come first served: call or SMS Dave directly on 0402 35 6661 to
express your interest.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Wed Nov  5 18:22:31 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Wed Nov  5 18:23:42 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] On 8185 now
Message-ID: <F69C4869-0F79-11D8-AE32-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

..if anyone feels like shooting me..

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Wed Nov  5 18:23:06 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Wed Nov  5 18:29:36 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] ..or even 5185
Message-ID: <0BBFCB28-0F7A-11D8-AE32-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

*sigh*

Sending email while trying not to get shot..

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Nov  6 21:05:41 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Nov  6 21:07:41 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] On 8185 now
In-Reply-To: <F69C4869-0F79-11D8-AE32-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
References: <F69C4869-0F79-11D8-AE32-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <20031106130540.GS929@flooble.apana.org.au>

On 05/11 18:22:31, Ken Taylor wrote:
> ..if anyone feels like shooting me..

I could be up for that, only a bit over a day later :).

Let me/us know if you're able to restart the servers.

> K

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
When someone says "I want a programming language in which I need only
say what I wish done," give him a lollipop.
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Thu Nov  6 21:21:36 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Thu Nov  6 21:23:51 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan?
Message-ID: <260B6A50-105C-11D8-AFE9-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

So, have we decided when and where the next lan will be?

Cam
--
Recorded in the digital domain by an analog brain.

From sillypup at webace.com.au  Mon Nov 10 11:40:39 2003
From: sillypup at webace.com.au (Matthew Bressington)
Date: Mon Nov 10 11:43:39 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan Party
References: <001101c39922$713396d0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy><20031023215815.E1237@shugg.net>
	<200310241754.06986.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <003e01c3a73c$6f682b40$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>

Well a LAN party would seem most likely for Saturday 22nd November
based on peoples preference for Saturday (workers) and given one has not
happened earlier....

What are peoples thoughts and do we still have a venue for that date?

Let us know as it's only 2 weeks away..

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Aloritias" <algernon@aloku.net>
To: "Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties."
<shuggnet-lanparty@shugg.net>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan Party


> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:58, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > Quoth Matthew:
> > > I wouldn't be able to make one till Sat Nov 22nd..... it's my next
> > > weekend off because of my Birthday....28 I'm getting old
>
> <snip>
>
> > I suppose we could give you a birthday LAN party.  =)
> >
> > So, is anyone free _before_ then or should we just try and aim to run
> > one at the end of November?
>
> Well, I'm up for one earlier, but I suspect that it's most realistic to
aim
> for the end of November.  What do others say? Tobes? Wes? Anthony? Pete?
> Anybody else? *prod* *prod*
>
> > Dates of the coming weekends are:
> >
> >   25th and 26th October
> >   1st and 2nd November
> >   8th and 9th November
> >   15th and 16th November
> >   22nd and 23rd November
> >
> > I appear to be free on Sunday Nov 2nd, Sunday Nov 9th, and the 16th, and
> > the 23rd, but not on any of the corresponding Saturdays.  Hmm.  We've
> > tended in the past to have the LAN parties on Saturdays I think, but
> > what do people think about Sundays?
>
> For me it's largely irrelevant now, but since the last LAN at least two
more
> people have Gotten Themselves Full-Time Jobs[0].  The workers will
probably
> prefer Saturdays, I suspect.
>
> - Karl
>
> [0] Yes, those inconsiderate bastards :)
>
>
> /*
>
>     This is the "shuggnet-lanparty" mailing list.  Phear our 'leet skillz.
>
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>
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From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Nov 10 12:17:39 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Nov 10 12:19:36 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan Party
In-Reply-To: <003e01c3a73c$6f682b40$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>;
	from sillypup@webace.com.au on Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:40:39AM
	+0800
References: <001101c39922$713396d0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy><20031023215815.E1237@shugg.net>
	<200310241754.06986.algernon@aloku.net>
	<003e01c3a73c$6f682b40$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
Message-ID: <20031110121737.A1317@shugg.net>

Quoth Matthew:
> Well a LAN party would seem most likely for Saturday 22nd November
> based on peoples preference for Saturday (workers) and given one has not
> happened earlier....
> 
> What are peoples thoughts and do we still have a venue for that date?
> 
> Let us know as it's only 2 weeks away..

I believe we have a choice of Karl & Jocelyn's place in Noranda (is that
right guys?) or Chris Gray's place in Atwell.  I will almost certainly
be able to host a party in December or January ...

As for the day, historically Saturdays have worked better than Sundays,
at least I think that has been the case.  Sat 22nd is undesirable for me
as I will have my second WASO performance that night.  I am quite
prepared to accept minority status though and go with what everyone else
wants.  So, like Matt says, how is Saturday November 22nd for a LAN
party?  Show of hands?  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Tue Nov 11 15:31:08 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Tue Nov 11 15:32:21 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Next Lan Party
In-Reply-To: <20031110121737.A1317@shugg.net>
References: <001101c39922$713396d0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<003e01c3a73c$6f682b40$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<20031110121737.A1317@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200311111531.08560.algernon@aloku.net>

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:17, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Matthew:
> > Well a LAN party would seem most likely for Saturday 22nd November
> > based on peoples preference for Saturday (workers) and given one has not
> > happened earlier....
> >
> > What are peoples thoughts and do we still have a venue for that date?
> >
> > Let us know as it's only 2 weeks away..
>
> I believe we have a choice of Karl & Jocelyn's place in Noranda (is that
> right guys?) or Chris Gray's place in Atwell.  I will almost certainly
> be able to host a party in December or January ...

Chez KarlnJoc is out of LAN circulation for the next few months due to 
rennovations.  So, Atwell it will have to be.

> As for the day, historically Saturdays have worked better than Sundays,
> at least I think that has been the case.  Sat 22nd is undesirable for me
> as I will have my second WASO performance that night.  I am quite
> prepared to accept minority status though and go with what everyone else
> wants.  So, like Matt says, how is Saturday November 22nd for a LAN
> party?  Show of hands?  =)

Well, I can make either Sat 22nd or Sat 29th.  How about we get a show of 
hands for each of those dates and see who can turn up to each?  Wes? Anthony? 
Tobes?  All those others who haven't said anything?  *Prod* *prod*

- Karl

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Tue Nov 18 23:00:00 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Tue Nov 18 23:02:04 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Okay, dammit, bzflag time
Message-ID: <20031118150000.GK5107@flooble.apana.org.au>


I shall be on ken.highway1.com.au, port 5185, in about 60 seconds.

Wearing a big flashing neon target sign.

Come shoot me!

Go on, you know you want to. :)


Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Every time I hear an OO purist talk, I want to pick up my bat object,
come to their house object, and start bashing their skull object.
		-- hardburn on kuro5hin.org
From cameronm at arach.net.au  Tue Nov 18 23:29:49 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Tue Nov 18 23:30:59 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
Message-ID: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>

Are we having a lan this weekend or not?

Yes this weekend is the 22nd. So far only myself Karl and Matt have 
said they can make it, and Andrew has said that he cannot.

Cam
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down
to their level, then beat you with experience.

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Nov 19 02:01:04 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Nov 19 02:02:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <20031118180103.GM5107@flooble.apana.org.au>

On 18/11 23:29:49, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> Are we having a lan this weekend or not?
> 
> Yes this weekend is the 22nd. So far only myself Karl and Matt have 
> said they can make it, and Andrew has said that he cannot.

/me catches up on the last months' worth of lanparty email, which he
    hasn't really been paying attention to for a while...

Sorry all, I won't be able to be involved if there is one this weekend.

I was going to offer to host one at the last minute as there seemed to
be some doubt about a hosting option, but various things I discovered
today have forced me to withdraw that offer before it was made. ;-)

I'm also hesitant to offer to host one in the next couple of weekends
(though I would like to) because I may be starting on _another_ contract
later this week (or next week), which will reduce my (already limited)
free time dramatically. :-/

> Cam

Sorry, Riken. Hopefully sometime soon I will be able to blast your pasty
white ass into its component particles. ;-)

Pete.

PS. I really need a chance to play Algernon and Riken and ozob and
Hrothgar and HamBone and the other usual suspects at BzFlag in an
environment where I can't blame my slow&unreliable&loaded modem link for
my pathetically inaccurate shooting. :)
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
Shhh... be vewy, vewy, quiet!  I'm hunting wabbits...
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Wed Nov 19 07:54:09 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Wed Nov 19 07:55:53 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <20031118180103.GM5107@flooble.apana.org.au>
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<20031118180103.GM5107@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <20031118235411.9461B1C17C@escher.takahe.net>

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On Wednesday 19 November 2003 02:01, you wrote:
> On 18/11 23:29:49, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> > Are we having a lan this weekend or not?
> >
> > Yes this weekend is the 22nd. So far only myself Karl and Matt have
> > said they can make it, and Andrew has said that he cannot.
>
> /me catches up on the last months' worth of lanparty email, which he
>     hasn't really been paying attention to for a while...
>
> Sorry all, I won't be able to be involved if there is one this weekend.

I'm going to Kalbarri this weekend so I won't be doing any killing.

Anthony
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From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Nov 19 09:03:00 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Nov 19 09:04:24 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <20031118235411.9461B1C17C@escher.takahe.net>;
	from ajones@clear.net.nz on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:54:09AM +0800
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<20031118180103.GM5107@flooble.apana.org.au>
	<20031118235411.9461B1C17C@escher.takahe.net>
Message-ID: <20031119090257.A296@shugg.net>

Quoth Anthony:
> I'm going to Kalbarri this weekend so I won't be doing any killing.

... unless it's of innocent fishies?  =)

Have fun!

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Wed Nov 19 13:23:48 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Wed Nov 19 13:25:14 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <200311191323.48685.algernon@aloku.net>

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:29 pm, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> Are we having a lan this weekend or not?
>
> Yes this weekend is the 22nd. So far only myself Karl and Matt have
> said they can make it, and Andrew has said that he cannot.

Well, seeing that Pete and Anthony can't make it either, and everyone else 
appears to have either dropped dead or been abducted by aliens, I guess that 
means that there's no LAN this weekend.

How about next weekend (the 29th) instead?  Do we have a venue?  Who will 
come?

- Karl

From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Nov 19 15:46:09 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Nov 19 15:47:49 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>;
	from cameronm@arach.net.au on Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:29:49PM
	+0800
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <20031119154605.B296@shugg.net>

Quoth Cameron:
> Are we having a lan this weekend or not?
> 
> Yes this weekend is the 22nd. So far only myself Karl and Matt have 
> said they can make it, and Andrew has said that he cannot.

I think we're the victims of inertia (again).  Sorry Cameron.

The weekend afterwards is probably good for me: is it good for anyone
else?  I'm guessing if you guys want to get together on the 22nd then it
will be a bit small.  =(  But you're more than welcome to go ahead and
do that anyway!

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From ken at onramp.com.au  Wed Nov 19 13:50:27 2003
From: ken at onramp.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Wed Nov 19 16:29:23 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <200311191323.48685.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<200311191323.48685.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <4697F5E4-1A54-11D8-895F-0030657C3BA8@onramp.com.au>

On 19/11/2003, at 1:23 PM, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> everyone else appears to have either dropped dead or been abducted by 
> aliens

I *have* been abducted by aliens - or at least, one alien - he's small 
and cute and very noisy!

However, my house will be finished before Christmas, and I volunteer to 
provide a venue for a future LAN (perhaps in January)...

In the short term, however, with the silly season and all, I'm unlikely 
to make it to a LAN.

To track the progress of the house (and the alien) see 
http://ken.highway1.com.au/

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From sillypup at webace.com.au  Wed Nov 19 18:12:30 2003
From: sillypup at webace.com.au (Matthew Bressington)
Date: Wed Nov 19 18:13:34 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<20031119154605.B296@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <000901c3ae85$a7ebfcd0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>

The next time I'll be able to make one again will now be the 13th or 20th of
December....due to work.....

Hopefully this time we won't wait 4 weeks for people to make replies....





From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Nov 20 01:49:42 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Nov 20 01:51:08 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <200311191323.48685.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:23:48PM +0800
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<200311191323.48685.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20031120014941.C296@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:29 pm, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> > Are we having a lan this weekend or not?
> >
> > Yes this weekend is the 22nd. So far only myself Karl and Matt have
> > said they can make it, and Andrew has said that he cannot.
> 
> Well, seeing that Pete and Anthony can't make it either, and everyone else 
> appears to have either dropped dead or been abducted by aliens, I guess that 
> means that there's no LAN this weekend.
> 
> How about next weekend (the 29th) instead?  Do we have a venue?  Who will 
> come?

I am willing & available that day, and we have a choice of two
unconfirmed venues.  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Nov 20 01:53:53 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Nov 20 01:58:08 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <000901c3ae85$a7ebfcd0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>;
	from sillypup@webace.com.au on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 06:12:30PM
	+0800
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<20031119154605.B296@shugg.net>
	<000901c3ae85$a7ebfcd0$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
Message-ID: <20031120015350.D296@shugg.net>

Quoth Matthew:
> The next time I'll be able to make one again will now be the 13th or 20th of
> December....due to work.....
> 
> Hopefully this time we won't wait 4 weeks for people to make replies....

Very busy time of year unfortunately.

Now if more people were unemployed, it'd be a different story!

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From algernon at aloku.net  Thu Nov 20 12:59:15 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Thu Nov 20 13:00:43 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <20031120014941.C296@shugg.net>
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<200311191323.48685.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031120014941.C296@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <200311201259.15418.algernon@aloku.net>

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:49, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > How about next weekend (the 29th) instead?  Do we have a venue?  Who will
> > come?
>
> I am willing & available that day, and we have a choice of two
> unconfirmed venues.  =)

Hmmm... I am now unavailable in the evening on that day, although I could make 
it in the morning/afternoon.  But I'd prefer another day - which given the 
inertia inherent in organising lans will most likely happen :)

Out of curiosity, who CAN make it on the 13th/20th December?  Or will we have 
to wait to Jan to have the next lan?

> Now if more people were unemployed, it'd be a different story!
We could say its a religious festival....

- Karl

From wez at raez.net  Thu Nov 20 13:28:22 2003
From: wez at raez.net (WEZ!)
Date: Thu Nov 20 13:29:39 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <200311201259.15418.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<200311191323.48685.algernon@aloku.net>	<20031120014941.C296@shugg.net>
	<200311201259.15418.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <p05010405bbe2012644e0@[192.168.1.200]>

>Hmmm... I am now unavailable in the evening on that day, although I could make
>it in the morning/afternoon.  But I'd prefer another day - which given the
>inertia inherent in organising lans will most likely happen :)
>
>Out of curiosity, who CAN make it on the 13th/20th December?  Or will we have
>to wait to Jan to have the next lan?
>
>>  Now if more people were unemployed, it'd be a different story!
We could say its a religious festival....

Anyone who put down 'jedi' on their census could indeed classify it 
as a religious festival. Yeeeeessss I like that :))

WEZ!
From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Thu Nov 20 15:50:39 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Thu Nov 20 15:51:06 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137AE9@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


Although I'm unsure of whether I could make it to another LAN party this
year ... if I get a decent 512/128 broadband connection (crosses fingers) in
the next few weeks I'll be more than happy to contribute to the mayhem
remotely?

I know it won't be the same as if I were actually in the house screaming
with laughter as Pete removes my virtual soldier's head with a rocket,
Andrew flaying said soldier's skin with a flak cannon, or Karl running over
the aforementioned soldiers corpse with a tank ...

But it could be worse. :)

Cheers,
Tobes.
From ajones at clear.net.nz  Tue Nov 25 16:49:30 2003
From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones)
Date: Tue Nov 25 16:50:51 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <p05010405bbe2012644e0@[192.168.1.200]>
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<200311201259.15418.algernon@aloku.net>
	<p05010405bbe2012644e0@[192.168.1.200]>
Message-ID: <20031125084934.B26A31C17C@escher.takahe.net>

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> Anyone who put down 'jedi' on their census could indeed classify it
> as a religious festival. Yeeeeessss I like that :))

That counts me out. I'm a methylated spiritualist. This means that can only 
have a religeous holiday when I'm abusing some form of alcohol.

Anthony
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From andrew at shugg.net  Tue Nov 25 23:29:26 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Nov 26 00:05:00 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan???
In-Reply-To: <200311201259.15418.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 12:59:15PM +0800
References: <0C02BF60-19DC-11D8-85A4-000393564E88@arach.net.au>
	<200311191323.48685.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031120014941.C296@shugg.net>
	<200311201259.15418.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20031125232925.A2208@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:49, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > > How about next weekend (the 29th) instead?  Do we have a venue?  Who will
> > > come?
> >
> > I am willing & available that day, and we have a choice of two
> > unconfirmed venues.  =)
> 
> Hmmm... I am now unavailable in the evening on that day, although I could make 
> it in the morning/afternoon.  But I'd prefer another day - which given the 
> inertia inherent in organising lans will most likely happen :)
> 
> Out of curiosity, who CAN make it on the 13th/20th December?  Or will we have 
> to wait to Jan to have the next lan?

I think the 13th is okay for me.

> > Now if more people were unemployed, it'd be a different story!
> We could say its a religious festival....

That could be good.  =)

Insincere maybe, but good ...

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From wez at raez.net  Thu Nov 27 18:02:30 2003
From: wez at raez.net (WEZ!)
Date: Thu Nov 27 18:33:43 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Minor Lan
Message-ID: <p05010403bbeb521f0669@[192.168.1.200]>

Well i've mention to many people so far i'm planning a Blizzard Lan 
Day and i think it's getting close now :) But for now its just 
tentative ideas to see who is interested and how many. So here are 
some details we can all debate on :)

Date:

a Saturday in December

Time:

all day most likely. Could have a BBQ here afterwards although i'm 
not convinced the place here will be free on any Sat nights as of yet.

What for:

games :) well mostly blizzard games:
Diablo 2: This is what triggered off this idea so i think the plan is 
to finish the game on Hell once off with heaps of people :)
Warcraft 3: I'm still haven't got the hang of this one but want to get into it

Starcraft: classic but so good :) and everyone can run it
all these need to be updated for everyone to the latest versions, D2 
= 1.10, SC = 1.10 and WC3 = ?

and usual other LAN shenanigans

Who:

everyone who wants to play any of these games. If you got any 
hardcore Diablo 2 fans then let them know. We may set up a high level 
game for hell players and one for new players if we get enough

Where:

My place :)
32 Harris St
Carlisle
we got heaps of room, switches cat5 etc. as well as DSL connection to the web

So any other ideas suggestions from anyone?

WEZ!
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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Dec  3 00:05:53 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Dec  3 00:08:12 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Neverball
Message-ID: <20031202160552.GI10410@flooble.apana.org.au>


Unfortunately it's not multiplayer, but it's pretty damn addictive even
as singleplayer:

http://www.icculus.org/neverball/

A very very slick game. Hard to believe it's opensource. Runs great,
looks great, has good background music, and is disgustingly addictive.

I've mentioned this to a few people now while being unable to recall the
actual name (I keep thinking of it as "Rollerball"), so I thought I
should probably mention it on here as just a very cool, free,
cross-platform 3D game.

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
If a listener nods his head when you're explaining your program, wake him up.
From algernon at aloku.net  Sat Dec  6 01:05:30 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Sat Dec  6 01:07:47 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN next Saturday?
Message-ID: <200312060105.30037.algernon@aloku.net>

Hi all,

It has been proposed to have a LAN next Saturday (the 13th December) at Pete's 
place.

Pete, I'm assuming this offer is still open?

Who will come?

- Karl

From wez at raez.net  Mon Dec  8 20:42:43 2003
From: wez at raez.net (WEZ!)
Date: Mon Dec  8 20:44:37 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Minor Lan Final Plan
Message-ID: <p05010402bbfa1d1bc5fb@[192.168.1.200]>

Well think most of the details are pretty much good now so here we go...

Place:

32 Harris Street Carlisle

Date:

Sunday 21st December

Time:

i'll say 11am till whenever. We now have a BBQ so people can stay for 
dinner if we all feel like doing a shop run for meat or maybe pizza 
instead.

What:

Blizzard Games ahoy :)
will try two games of Diablo one for new characters to mid characters 
and one for high characters.
Starcraft and Warcraft 1 through 3 as people feel like it

ohh after seeing the trailer for UT 2004 does any PC guys have that 
as i would love to have a bash of that :) Hey its not blizzard but 
its GOOOOOD :)



Think that is all

Hope to see ya guys there :)

Wez.

PS most of the games will run the expansions and the latest versions 
of those as well. So if you dont' have them now get them or bring 
some blanks on the day :)

ohh and if this goes well was thinking maybe a Bungie Lan party. 
Halo, Myth series, Oni and couple of those other things they made 
along the way :)
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From algernon at aloku.net  Sat Dec 13 20:14:57 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Sat Dec 13 20:16:33 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party next Saturday (non-Blizzard)
Message-ID: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>

For all those who don't like playing blizzard games (sorry Wez), myself and 
several others are having a non-Blizzard LAN at our place on Saturday 20th 
December (next Saturday).  Games such as UT2003, Vietcong, that Star Wars 
Jedi-thing that I can't remember the name of right now, bzflag and others.

The address is 69 Bramwell Road, Noranda.  Anybody here interested in joining 
us?

- Karl

From wez at raez.net  Mon Dec 15 09:45:15 2003
From: wez at raez.net (WEZ!)
Date: Mon Dec 15 09:47:55 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Lan on Sunday 21 (Blizzard + Halo)
In-Reply-To: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <p05010403bc02c1bd648c@[192.168.1.200]>

No probs with other LANs. The more the merrier :)

as long as everyone has a lan they want to go to to play its all 
good. I wanted to give some of my friends a go at non FPP shooters 
for a bit and they sem happy with that.

side note that goes against what i just said

HALO IS OUT FOR MAC. It will be at the LAN :)) of any PC heads have 
got it then haul it along as well for those poor soles deprived of it.

i know i know its only suppose to be blizzard games. but Bungie also 
starts with a B :) though bungie did sell-out to M$

ohh well see you all round some times. i would drop into the other 
lan on the 20th but that day is already busy

Have a good one
From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Dec 15 13:40:20 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Dec 15 13:41:57 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Neverball
In-Reply-To: <20031202160552.GI10410@flooble.apana.org.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:05:53AM
	+0800
References: <20031202160552.GI10410@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <20031215134018.A1022@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> Unfortunately it's not multiplayer, but it's pretty damn addictive even
> as singleplayer:
> 
> http://www.icculus.org/neverball/
> 
> A very very slick game. Hard to believe it's opensource. Runs great,
> looks great, has good background music, and is disgustingly addictive.

Minimum CPU required is 1GHz.  Wah!

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Mon Dec 15 15:11:18 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Mon Dec 15 15:12:45 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Neverball
In-Reply-To: <20031215134018.A1022@shugg.net>
References: <20031202160552.GI10410@flooble.apana.org.au>
	<20031215134018.A1022@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <20031215071118.GL10410@flooble.apana.org.au>

On 15/12 13:40:20, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Quoth Peter:
> > Unfortunately it's not multiplayer, but it's pretty damn addictive even
> > as singleplayer:
> > 
> > http://www.icculus.org/neverball/
> > 
> > A very very slick game. Hard to believe it's opensource. Runs great,
> > looks great, has good background music, and is disgustingly addictive.
> 
> Minimum CPU required is 1GHz.  Wah!

Well... it runs fine on my Celeron 500 with GeForce2MX. :)

> Andrew.

Pete.
-- 
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The goal of Computer Science is to build something that will last at
least until we've finished building it.
From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Dec 15 17:10:31 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Dec 15 17:11:43 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party next Saturday (non-Blizzard)
In-Reply-To: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 08:14:57PM +0800
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20031215171028.B1022@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> For all those who don't like playing blizzard games (sorry Wez), myself and 
> several others are having a non-Blizzard LAN at our place on Saturday 20th 
> December (next Saturday).  Games such as UT2003, Vietcong, that Star Wars 
> Jedi-thing that I can't remember the name of right now, bzflag and others.
> 
> The address is 69 Bramwell Road, Noranda.  Anybody here interested in
> joining us?

Sounds fabulous!  =)

I will certainly endeavour to be there ...

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Mon Dec 15 17:13:08 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Mon Dec 15 17:23:10 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Neverball
In-Reply-To: <20031215071118.GL10410@flooble.apana.org.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 03:11:18PM
	+0800
References: <20031202160552.GI10410@flooble.apana.org.au>
	<20031215134018.A1022@shugg.net>
	<20031215071118.GL10410@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <20031215171304.C1022@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> On 15/12 13:40:20, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > Minimum CPU required is 1GHz.  Wah!
> 
> Well... it runs fine on my Celeron 500 with GeForce2MX. :)

That's dual Celeron though isn't it?  500 + 500 = 1000  ;P

Andrew.

-- 
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"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Dec 17 13:31:48 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Dec 17 13:32:51 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party next Saturday (non-Blizzard)
In-Reply-To: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 08:14:57PM +0800
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20031217133145.A1545@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> For all those who don't like playing blizzard games (sorry Wez), myself and 
> several others are having a non-Blizzard LAN at our place on Saturday 20th 
> December (next Saturday).  Games such as UT2003, Vietcong, that Star Wars 
> Jedi-thing that I can't remember the name of right now, bzflag and others.
> 
> The address is 69 Bramwell Road, Noranda.  Anybody here interested in joining 
> us?
> 
> - Karl

So, is anyone else coming?  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From sillypup at webace.com.au  Wed Dec 17 13:58:01 2003
From: sillypup at webace.com.au (Matthew Bressington)
Date: Wed Dec 17 13:59:30 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party next Saturday (non-Blizzard)
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031217133145.A1545@shugg.net>
Message-ID: <001801c3c462$bb42c460$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>

So far it's Karl, Cameron, Matthew B, Andrew,
possibly Jocelyn for parts and wez will be dropping in...have we heard from
pete or anyone else..?
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Subject: Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party next Saturday (non-Blizzard)


> Quoth Karl:
> > For all those who don't like playing blizzard games (sorry Wez), myself
and
> > several others are having a non-Blizzard LAN at our place on Saturday
20th
> > December (next Saturday).  Games such as UT2003, Vietcong, that Star
Wars
> > Jedi-thing that I can't remember the name of right now, bzflag and
others.
> >
> > The address is 69 Bramwell Road, Noranda.  Anybody here interested in
joining
> > us?
> >
> > - Karl
>
> So, is anyone else coming?  =)
>
> Andrew.
>
> --
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
http://shugg.net/andrew/
>
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and
wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
>
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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Wed Dec 17 16:21:25 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Wed Dec 17 16:22:34 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party next Saturday (non-Blizzard)
In-Reply-To: <001801c3c462$bb42c460$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031217133145.A1545@shugg.net>
	<001801c3c462$bb42c460$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
Message-ID: <20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>

On 17/12 13:58:01, Matthew Bressington wrote:
> So far it's Karl, Cameron, Matthew B, Andrew, possibly Jocelyn for
> parts and wez will be dropping in...have we heard from pete or anyone
> else..?

You haven't heard from Pete, but he'll be there.

Yay Pete.

:)

Pete, who still hasn't got around to testing the sooper-dooper new
release of BzFlag - I guess we'll have to test it properly on Saturday :).
-- 
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percussive maintenance, n. The art of beating the crap out of equipment
in the hope it will start to work. Disturbingly often successful.
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From algernon at aloku.net  Wed Dec 17 17:20:47 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Wed Dec 17 17:21:41 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party next Saturday (non-Blizzard)
In-Reply-To: <20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
	<001801c3c462$bb42c460$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <200312171720.47893.algernon@aloku.net>

On Wednesday 17 December 2003 16:21, Peter Wright wrote:
> Pete, who still hasn't got around to testing the sooper-dooper new
> release of BzFlag - I guess we'll have to test it properly on Saturday :).

Only if I can get it to run with 3d acceleration and at a decent brightness 
level, dammit!

- Karl

From wez at raez.net  Wed Dec 17 18:20:14 2003
From: wez at raez.net (WEZ!)
Date: Wed Dec 17 18:21:30 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party next Saturday (non-Blizzard)
In-Reply-To: <20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031217133145.A1545@shugg.net>
	<001801c3c462$bb42c460$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <p05010403bc05dd88996a@[192.168.1.200]>

Doubt i'll be dropping in later. I'll be busy Sat i think. And must 
be preparing for Sunday Lan. If anyone can handle two lan parties in 
a row then feel free to come to a sunday one as well :)

though not sure i'll have enough table space. Will have to see ;)

Game on all

WEZ!
From andrew at shugg.net  Wed Dec 17 23:48:57 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Wed Dec 17 23:50:06 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party next Saturday (non-Blizzard)
In-Reply-To: <p05010403bc05dd88996a@[192.168.1.200]>;
	from wez@raez.net on Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 06:20:14PM +0800
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031217133145.A1545@shugg.net>
	<001801c3c462$bb42c460$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>
	<p05010403bc05dd88996a@[192.168.1.200]>
Message-ID: <20031217234853.B1545@shugg.net>

Quoth Wesley:
> Doubt i'll be dropping in later. I'll be busy Sat i think. And must 
> be preparing for Sunday Lan. If anyone can handle two lan parties in 
> a row then feel free to come to a sunday one as well :)
> 
> though not sure i'll have enough table space. Will have to see ;)

Bah, make 'em play on the floor.  ;)

Andrew.

-- 
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"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From sillypup at webace.com.au  Wed Dec 17 23:56:48 2003
From: sillypup at webace.com.au (Matthew Bressington)
Date: Thu Dec 18 00:01:56 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Have pity
Message-ID: <001501c3c4b6$61d0ed40$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>

Hi there..... just wondering if anyone who will be at the LAN at Karl's on Saturday has any spare 100mbs PCI network cards laying around they don't want....

I am in need of 2 in total, I can buy them new at $10 each but figured I'd ask first....

Why spend money if it is unnecessary...

See everyone Sat...

Matthew B

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From ken at staff.highway1.com.au  Wed Dec 17 23:58:30 2003
From: ken at staff.highway1.com.au (Ken Taylor)
Date: Thu Dec 18 00:12:27 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Re: BZFlag 1.10
In-Reply-To: <20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031217133145.A1545@shugg.net>
	<001801c3c462$bb42c460$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <DC0403CB-30A9-11D8-AACD-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>

On 17/12/2003, at 4:21 PM, Peter Wright wrote:
> Pete, who still hasn't got around to testing the sooper-dooper new
> release of BzFlag - I guess we'll have to test it properly on Saturday 
> :).

If you can't wait - I have two servers running on ken.highway1.com.au 
(as well as all the 1.7 ones)

port 5194 - absolutely standard with no extra options
port 5104 - jumping, ricochet, flags, etc

K
-- 
Ken Taylor

"Everyone knows the plural of virus is Windows" - Mike Muth on AFU

From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Dec 18 01:31:49 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Dec 18 01:32:57 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] LAN party next Saturday (non-Blizzard)
In-Reply-To: <20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:21:25PM
	+0800
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031217133145.A1545@shugg.net>
	<001801c3c462$bb42c460$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <20031218013147.C1545@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> On 17/12 13:58:01, Matthew Bressington wrote:
> > So far it's Karl, Cameron, Matthew B, Andrew, possibly Jocelyn for
> > parts and wez will be dropping in...have we heard from pete or anyone
> > else..?
> 
> You haven't heard from Pete, but he'll be there.
> 
> Yay Pete.
> 
> :)

Yay!

> Pete, who still hasn't got around to testing the sooper-dooper new
> release of BzFlag - I guess we'll have to test it properly on Saturday :).

New version of BZFlag?  Hurrah!  *starts downloading*

I will put the files on my web page for people to download when I've got
them all.  I know that negotiating the SourceForge download system is a
little tricky for some people.  ;P  (And just plain annoying, for me ...)

Andrew.

-- 
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"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Dec 18 02:11:15 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Dec 18 02:12:31 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Have pity
In-Reply-To: <001501c3c4b6$61d0ed40$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>;
	from sillypup@webace.com.au on Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:56:48PM
	+0800
References: <001501c3c4b6$61d0ed40$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
Message-ID: <20031218021112.D1545@shugg.net>

Quoth Matthew:
> Hi there..... just wondering if anyone who will be at the LAN at
> Karl's on Saturday has any spare 100mbs PCI network cards laying
> around they don't want....
> 
> I am in need of 2 in total, I can buy them new at $10 each but figured
> I'd ask first....

I remember when those things were hundreds of dollars ... sigh.

And in truth it wasn't really all that long ago.  =)

Just spend the money so that you can have a swap-for-new warranty.  To
be honest at $10 a pop you're not going to be getting a very good NIC.
I'm sure it'll be fine for light duties but sustained high traffic
levels will probably kill it.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Dec 18 13:41:39 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Dec 18 13:43:59 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Re: BZFlag 1.10
In-Reply-To: <DC0403CB-30A9-11D8-AACD-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>;
	from ken@staff.highway1.com.au on Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:58:30PM
	+0800
References: <200312132014.57775.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031217133145.A1545@shugg.net>
	<001801c3c462$bb42c460$0100a8c0@sillypuppy>
	<20031217082125.GB3182@flooble.apana.org.au>
	<DC0403CB-30A9-11D8-AACD-0030657C3BA8@staff.highway1.com.au>
Message-ID: <20031218134136.E1545@shugg.net>

Quoth Ken:
> On 17/12/2003, at 4:21 PM, Peter Wright wrote:
> > Pete, who still hasn't got around to testing the sooper-dooper new
> > release of BzFlag - I guess we'll have to test it properly on Saturday 
> > :).
> 
> If you can't wait - I have two servers running on ken.highway1.com.au 
> (as well as all the 1.7 ones)
> 
> port 5194 - absolutely standard with no extra options
> port 5104 - jumping, ricochet, flags, etc
> 
> K

Thanks, Ken!

For those who need the clients:

    BZFlag 1.10.0 for Mac OS X (6.3M)
    http://members.iinet.net.au/~aws/bzflag/BZFlag_1.10.0.dmg

    BZFlag 1.10.0-0 for Linux/i386 (2.8M)
    http://members.iinet.net.au/~aws/bzflag/bzflag-1.10.0-0.i386.rpm

    BZFlag 1.10.0-1 for Windows (3.3M)
    http://members.iinet.net.au/~aws/bzflag/bzflag-1.10.0-1.W32.exe

Start downloadin' and start shootin'!  =)

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Thu Dec 18 14:22:19 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Thu Dec 18 14:21:38 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Re: BZFlag 1.10
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137C79@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


I'm sitting here trying to meet about a zillion deadlines, and you're
talking about BzFlag ... *sigh* :)

T.

> ----------
> From: 	Andrew Shugg
> Reply To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Sent: 	Thursday, 18 December 2003 1:41 PM
> To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Subject: 	Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Re: BZFlag 1.10
> 
> Quoth Ken:
> > On 17/12/2003, at 4:21 PM, Peter Wright wrote:
> > > Pete, who still hasn't got around to testing the sooper-dooper new
> > > release of BzFlag - I guess we'll have to test it properly on Saturday
> 
> > > :).
> > 
> > If you can't wait - I have two servers running on ken.highway1.com.au 
> > (as well as all the 1.7 ones)
> > 
> > port 5194 - absolutely standard with no extra options
> > port 5104 - jumping, ricochet, flags, etc
> > 
> > K
> 
> Thanks, Ken!
> 
> For those who need the clients:
> 
>     BZFlag 1.10.0 for Mac OS X (6.3M)
>     http://members.iinet.net.au/~aws/bzflag/BZFlag_1.10.0.dmg
> 
>     BZFlag 1.10.0-0 for Linux/i386 (2.8M)
>     http://members.iinet.net.au/~aws/bzflag/bzflag-1.10.0-0.i386.rpm
> 
>     BZFlag 1.10.0-1 for Windows (3.3M)
>     http://members.iinet.net.au/~aws/bzflag/bzflag-1.10.0-1.W32.exe
> 
> Start downloadin' and start shootin'!  =)
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
> http://shugg.net/andrew/
> 
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and
> wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
>     
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> 
From andrew at shugg.net  Thu Dec 18 14:37:41 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Thu Dec 18 14:39:01 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Re: BZFlag 1.10
In-Reply-To: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137C79@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>;
	from TobyO@screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au on Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 02:22:19PM
	+0800
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137C79@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20031218143737.F1545@shugg.net>

Quoth Toby:
> I'm sitting here trying to meet about a zillion deadlines, and you're
> talking about BzFlag ... *sigh* :)
> 
> T.

Deadlines?  Shoot at them in BZFlag!!!  Blow them up in BZFlag!!!  =D

(Does that make you feel better?)

Andrew.

-- 
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"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Thu Dec 18 14:48:40 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Thu Dec 18 14:48:49 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Re: BZFlag 1.10
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137C7B@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


A 'wafer thinne' bit Andrew. :)

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it to either LAN this weekend,
but I'll do me durndest. This dual 1.8 G5 here in the office needs a good
workout. :)

Cheers,
Tobes.

P.S. Did I mention it's running an ATI 9800, and has dual 900mhz FSBs?
Working is fun again! *heh heh*

> ----------
> From: 	Andrew Shugg
> Reply To: 	Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.
> Sent: 	Thursday, 18 December 2003 2:37 PM
> To: 	'Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties.'
> Subject: 	Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Re: BZFlag 1.10
> 
> Quoth Toby:
> > I'm sitting here trying to meet about a zillion deadlines, and you're
> > talking about BzFlag ... *sigh* :)
> > 
> > T.
> 
> Deadlines?  Shoot at them in BZFlag!!!  Blow them up in BZFlag!!!  =D
> 
> (Does that make you feel better?)
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>
> http://shugg.net/andrew/
> 
> "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and
> wouldn't
> enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Thu Dec 18 14:43:32 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu Dec 18 14:57:34 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Re: BZFlag 1.10
In-Reply-To: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137C79@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
References: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137C79@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20031218064332.GC3182@flooble.apana.org.au>

On 18/12 14:22:19, Oldham, Toby wailed pathetically:
> I'm sitting here trying to meet about a zillion deadlines, and you're
> talking about BzFlag ... *sigh* :)

Ah feel yo' pain, brotha.

*pete looks sadly at his to-do list*

I've already heard the nice whooshing sound of one deadline going past
earlier today. Thankfully that wasn't a _really_ important deadline.

But the thing about the less important deadlines is that there's always
two or three more important deadlines lurking menacingly just behind it...

Hmm. Maybe it'll help if I visualise the enemy tanks as deadlines...

> T.

*pete lines up his cannon, ready to blast those deadlines into pieces*

:)
Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
independent consultant, n. Someone whose income is derived from
multiple sources, not just one. Often derided by people with "real
jobs" until those same people are invited into their manager's office
shortly before their fiftieth birthday. See 'self employed'.
		-- The Devil's IT Dictionary
From algernon at aloku.net  Fri Dec 19 17:14:56 2003
From: algernon at aloku.net (Karl Aloritias)
Date: Fri Dec 19 17:16:21 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Reminder: LAN party tomorrow
Message-ID: <200312191714.56191.algernon@aloku.net>

I have sufficiently recovered my system from a spectacular, catastrophic and 
extremely damaging hard disk failure to the point where I can now send and 
receive e-mails (if not much else).  Yay!

Anyway, this is a reminder that there's a (originally mini-, but now looks 
like standard) LAN at chez KarlnJoc tomorrow (usual times, from c.11am 
onwards).

It's a bit different from the usual LAN, though:  among the games are 
definitely going to be Ut2003 and Vietcong.  This means bring decent machines 
that can handle these games; don't bother bringing, for example, crappy 
dual-celeron 500s :).

There is a spare machine here that is sufficient; let me know if you'd like to 
reserve it.

Address:
69 Bramwell Road, Noranda

Phone:
9375 6796 (Note that this has changed for those with the old number).


- Karl

From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Dec 19 17:30:36 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Dec 19 17:37:20 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Reminder: LAN party tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <200312191714.56191.algernon@aloku.net>
References: <200312191714.56191.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20031219093036.GC31851@flooble.apana.org.au>

On 19/12 17:14:56, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> I have sufficiently recovered my system from a spectacular,
> catastrophic and extremely damaging hard disk failure to the point
> where I can now send and receive e-mails (if not much else).  Yay!

Yaay.

> Anyway, this is a reminder that there's a (originally mini-, but now
> looks like standard) LAN at chez KarlnJoc tomorrow (usual times, from
> c.11am onwards).

Cool.

> It's a bit different from the usual LAN, though:  among the games are
> definitely going to be Ut2003 and Vietcong.  This means bring decent
> machines that can handle these games; don't bother bringing, for
> example, crappy dual-celeron 500s :).

Especially dual-celeron 500s without a Windows/GameOS partition. :)

(I have no idea if Vietcong can run under Wine, but probably not)

> There is a spare machine here that is sufficient; let me know if you'd
> like to reserve it.

Probably me.

But I'll transplant the GeForce4 into cartman (Duron 750) and see how he
goes with UT2003. Probably not too well, but might be worth a try.

> - Karl

And we *have* to at least try a bit of the new BzFlag... :)

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
If at first you don't succeed, call it version 1.0.
From sillypup at webace.com.au  Fri Dec 19 18:05:19 2003
From: sillypup at webace.com.au (Matthew Bressington)
Date: Fri Dec 19 18:06:53 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Reminder: LAN party tomorrow
References: <200312191714.56191.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031219093036.GC31851@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <000d01c3c617$9c58ab30$dd3e11cb@hogwarts>

Yay.....

After a lot of trouble reinstalling things I now have a 1.3GHz processor and lots of disk space.....I will be there about 10.30 though as I will need to install a LAN card and all the games I have removed......

will possibly get some more ram...

see you all there

Matthew B
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Wright 
  To: Organisation and discussion of Pete's LAN parties. 
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 5:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [shuggnet-lanparty] Reminder: LAN party tomorrow


  On 19/12 17:14:56, Karl Aloritias wrote:
  > I have sufficiently recovered my system from a spectacular,
  > catastrophic and extremely damaging hard disk failure to the point
  > where I can now send and receive e-mails (if not much else).  Yay!

  Yaay.

  > Anyway, this is a reminder that there's a (originally mini-, but now
  > looks like standard) LAN at chez KarlnJoc tomorrow (usual times, from
  > c.11am onwards).

  Cool.

  > It's a bit different from the usual LAN, though:  among the games are
  > definitely going to be Ut2003 and Vietcong.  This means bring decent
  > machines that can handle these games; don't bother bringing, for
  > example, crappy dual-celeron 500s :).

  Especially dual-celeron 500s without a Windows/GameOS partition. :)

  (I have no idea if Vietcong can run under Wine, but probably not)

  > There is a spare machine here that is sufficient; let me know if you'd
  > like to reserve it.

  Probably me.

  But I'll transplant the GeForce4 into cartman (Duron 750) and see how he
  goes with UT2003. Probably not too well, but might be worth a try.

  > - Karl

  And we *have* to at least try a bit of the new BzFlag... :)

  Pete.
  -- 
  http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
  If at first you don't succeed, call it version 1.0.
      
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From cameronm at arach.net.au  Fri Dec 19 20:04:22 2003
From: cameronm at arach.net.au (Cameron MacFarland)
Date: Fri Dec 19 20:05:57 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Fourth time lucky...
Message-ID: <7BB6628F-321B-11D8-80F8-000A95CD8ABC@arach.net.au>

Anyone want to play some bzflag?

Whichever port.
--
Q. What goes "CLICK- is that it? CLICK- is that it? CLICK- is that it?"
A. A blind person with a Rubix cube.
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From pete at flooble.apana.org.au  Fri Dec 19 21:40:07 2003
From: pete at flooble.apana.org.au (Peter Wright)
Date: Fri Dec 19 21:41:19 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Fourth time lucky...
In-Reply-To: <7BB6628F-321B-11D8-80F8-000A95CD8ABC@arach.net.au>
References: <7BB6628F-321B-11D8-80F8-000A95CD8ABC@arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <20031219134006.GF31851@flooble.apana.org.au>

On 19/12 20:04:22, Cameron MacFarland wrote:
> Anyone want to play some bzflag? 
> Whichever port. 

I'm a little too busy tonight, but tomorrow, sure.

I only got back from carolling a few minutes ago. *wry grin*

Pete.
-- 
http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/
If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
		-- unknown
From andrew at shugg.net  Sat Dec 20 12:19:50 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sat Dec 20 12:22:25 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Reminder: LAN party tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <20031219093036.GC31851@flooble.apana.org.au>;
	from pete@flooble.apana.org.au on Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:30:36PM
	+0800
References: <200312191714.56191.algernon@aloku.net>
	<20031219093036.GC31851@flooble.apana.org.au>
Message-ID: <20031220121947.A1882@shugg.net>

Quoth Peter:
> On 19/12 17:14:56, Karl Aloritias wrote:
> > It's a bit different from the usual LAN, though:  among the games are
> > definitely going to be Ut2003 and Vietcong.  This means bring decent
> > machines that can handle these games; don't bother bringing, for
> > example, crappy dual-celeron 500s :).
> 
> But I'll transplant the GeForce4 into cartman (Duron 750) and see how he
> goes with UT2003. Probably not too well, but might be worth a try.

Should work okay.  My brother Dave's rebuilt-for-the-nth-time system can
run the UT2k3 demo quite adequately, and that's only a a PIII-450 with a
GeForce2MX and 256M RAM in it ...

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From andrew at shugg.net  Sat Dec 20 12:32:37 2003
From: andrew at shugg.net (Andrew Shugg)
Date: Sat Dec 20 12:39:31 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Reminder: LAN party tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <200312191714.56191.algernon@aloku.net>;
	from algernon@aloku.net on Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:14:56PM +0800
References: <200312191714.56191.algernon@aloku.net>
Message-ID: <20031220123235.B1882@shugg.net>

Quoth Karl:
> I have sufficiently recovered my system from a spectacular, catastrophic and 
> extremely damaging hard disk failure to the point where I can now send and 
> receive e-mails (if not much else).  Yay!

Hooray!  My commiserations to you for your unfortunate data loss.  =(

> Anyway, this is a reminder that there's a (originally mini-, but now looks 
> like standard) LAN at chez KarlnJoc tomorrow (usual times, from c.11am 
> onwards).

Apologies from me, as the need for me to stay here and finish things
before we go on holidays (Monday) is greater than my not-inconsiderable
need to attend the LAN party.  =/

> It's a bit different from the usual LAN, though:  among the games are 
> definitely going to be Ut2003 and Vietcong.  This means bring decent machines 
> that can handle these games; don't bother bringing, for example, crappy 
> dual-celeron 500s :).

... let alone poor G3-300 PowerPCs!

The build-a-new-game-computer budget still remains at $0 unfortunately.

Andrew.

-- 
Andrew Shugg <andrew@shugg.net>                     http://shugg.net/andrew/

"I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't
enjoy it!"  (Arthur Dent, HHGTTG.  RIP Douglas Adams.)
From TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au  Mon Dec 22 11:34:29 2003
From: TobyO at screenwest.dca.wa.gov.au (Oldham, Toby)
Date: Mon Dec 22 11:33:51 2003
Subject: [shuggnet-lanparty] Reminder: LAN party tomorrow
Message-ID: <A39E52B481D8D41180B000508BDCA4BD02137C96@perexch01.mca.wa.gov.au>


<snip>

> The build-a-new-game-computer budget still remains at $0 unfortunately.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
Ah - actually, your build-a-new-computer budget now stands at $20.00 :)

Merry Christmas Shugg,

Tobes.